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Link: https://www.rawstory.com/condoleezza-rice-critical-race-theory/
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.... the latest dog whistle/flavor of the month for THAT segment of America who remain paranoid and fearful of our nation's changing demographics -- a change most Americans embrace.
These School Board meeting crazies are the same ilk who bathe in disinformation campaigns, the same ilk that brought us January 6th, and the same ilk hellbent in maintaining power at all costs.
Created problems
an analogous situation that confronts the German people...how do you teach kids about a sordid past without making them feel responsible for things they had no part in?...but yet the issue persists and they have a responsibility to ensure that the past (and to some extent the present) never 'flowers' again.
Link: https://www.nytimes.com/1995/06/09/world/teaching-nazi-past-to-german-youth.html
But WW II was just over 70 years ago. Slavery was a blot on America going back 500 years. To many generations have past. Doesn’t make it right but it’s a difference.
depends on the kids of today learning what went wrong back then...because...as Condi said..."Human beings aren't angels now and they weren't angels in the past,"...due to human nature, we need to teach them why they have to be aware and vigilant...HOW we do that is challenging and deserving of debate, but to not face this responsibility allows those human failings to re-emerge.
It's not easy, but it can be done...if we share the goal of respect and opportunity for all.
To deny that is just disingenuous.
divisive thoughts only emboldens those destructive acts...and in order to "speak up" one needs to understand "why" those acts are so hurtful...I'm not convinced that enough of this country's youth understand how much discrimination harms the nation and in reality, harms not only the intended victims, but also everyone else...including those who practice it.
We've been told how dare you say you're color blind! See my color. We've been told being down with the movement doesn't make you an ally. We've been told only we can be racist. We've been told to accept science but accept there are multiple genders. We've been told we've been told...
Guess a lot of folks aren't listening anymore. Or worse yet pushing back.
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...that you feel compelled to speak up and snuff out said behavior? Yeah me either. It's almost like they don't really happen or are so drastically over estimated their existence barely takes place in modern society. Like we're being fed a line of bullshit. Or something.
teaching...these topics are discussed in our own family and extended family...to the point where members of that extended family don't hesitate to join their neighbors in posting "BLM" signs on their lawns in 'solidarity' with those who are actually expressing their pain from the steady 'in-coming' news of Trayvon Martin, Charlottesville, and George Floyd..."Someone" is ACTING very badly, and they (our family members and their neighbors) are "speaking up" about it to all who pass by...and no, they don't feel the need to set fires or trash stores, so don't even go there...Maybe not the most 'newsworthy' expressions, but certainly not silent...and more importantly, they and their children will be able to recognize discrimination when they see it, and not be afraid to call it out.
This country has always had the KKKers and Skin Heads, but until recently they've been pretty much confined to living under their respective 'Rocks'...with the advent of Donald Trump, he's kicked over those rocks, and given them 'cover' by not only not denouncing them but even lauding them as "fine people"...that makes the job harder for all of us...and if you consider yourself "One of Us" then it's your job, too.
And 2) what the fuck are you talking about? So the "steady" news of Trayvon Charlottesville and Floyd aside, do you personally see these acts that compel you to address the perpetrator and comment on their anti social behavior? And all others who pass by? Do your POC neighbors cower in fear of these roving hoards of Skin Heads and KKK'ers unleashed by the Great Orange on our great nation?
And when the story swings the other way, do you also feel compelled to speak out? The Jessie Smollets, bubba Wallace, Myles Garrett, the numerous acts of snowflakes on college campuses who falsely accuse fellow students of racism and shame them into leaving school? Do you speak of those things too? Put up signs? Have uncomfortable conversations about those? The other folks who commit equally objectionable sins? Are they on the hook too?
Let's have uncomfortable conversations Tyger.
perceived situation today in the U.S.. I gave what I thought were a few extreme examples of why African Americans are raising their voices so loudly. Is it possible that they are 'overshooting' the mark and casting too great a pall on the situation?...I certainly do....but not to the point that those raised voices aren't justified. As evidence of that, I've added examples that are not violent, but illustrative of the contention that 'systemic racism'...or as Coleman Hughes would say "racism of the heart"...still exists here (see link).
While I agree with Condi Rice that positive examples (e.g. Colin Powell) are being pushed to the sideline and need to be emphasized...there is still the need to deal with the pernicious, unspoken racism that is being demonstrated in those new "Voting Rights" laws passed in GOP controlled legislatures, and if our future adults are to be properly prepared for the environment they'll soon be taking responsibility for, they'd better understand the whole picture.
How these lessons are taught his challenging, but it sure would help if all citizens, and certainly today's GOP, acknowledged that a very large group of Americans is leaving no doubt that they are living a 'sub-optimal' existence...relative to their White co-citizens. Hopefully, in local 'arenas' diverse groups will come together with a goal of understanding what should and should not be changed...and leave out the disruptive elements...on both sides of the issue.
Sorry I didn't get into your curiosity regarding my party habits...maybe some other time.
Link: https://www.cnn.com/2021/03/26/politics/georgia-voting-law-black-voters/index.html
But you and I both know that's not what this is about.
We just want to get married.
No one wants to defund the police.
Historical monuments are safe.
Biden is a moderate and will pull us together.
We just want slavery & racism put in the "proper" context.
Like Milli Vanilli said "girl you know it's true...."
LOT of things.
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Amen Jaker!!!!
s sold slaves to other countries and the founders drafted our charters to pave the way for the ending of slavery.
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your legal writings?
Before heading further down your 'random walk', do you have a substantive comment to make about my post?...or is this just another example of you being way more interested in sniping at folks you disagree with, rather than engaging in meaningful conversation?
Only reason I can think of for you to do it...you seem to have been hired to come here and convince people to vote Democrat in the next election.
You also refuse to engage in discussion, but demand that others do so. You go so far as to promise to engage in substantive conversation, but you require that others do it first...publicly stating that you will hide your position until others go first. It is weird. I just figure that is part of your training...maybe you don't want to get pinned down on certain issues. But, people see the behavior, and can draw the correct conclusions that you are disingenuous on those types of issues.
I already made my position clear on the topic of this thread: Teach true history. That is all. My position does not need any background reading material, so I will forego a link for you.
while you may not agree with all, or any, of them, the effort is genuine and it's not your call as to whether anyone else should be able to view them...
As far as the our most recent 'engagement' is concerned (i.e. Abortion, et al), I realize we're not done yet, and you can restart it anytime...I certainly will be before too long.
For this thread...what is taught to our kids is ultra-important for all sorts of reasons...I thought the Condi/Whoopi, et al, dialogue needed a bit more time, but it's clear to me that simply learning "Events and Dates" in one grade, or two, is insufficient...a much deeper understanding is needed and IMO that involves an on-going process of education.
As for being paid to participate in a message board that bears my Alma Mater's name...I'm beginning to feel a sense of outrage at whoever is pocketing my checks...if you know anything at all about this, please Bmail me.
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"In the tranquillity of the Konrad Adenauer High School, no one has to fret about the kinds of things that worry Americans on campus, like guns or drugs, because such things do not happen here, said Heinz Wilms, a history teacher.
Since January, though, he has been nudging his 10th-grade class of 16-year-olds to confront something much more momentous than school-yard discipline: the historical progression from Hitler's rise to power in 1933 to the Holocaust.
It is a course, Chapter 6 in a standard German history text, that challenges Germany's young to come to terms with the burden of a collective past far more cruel and destructive than teen-agers anywhere else in the world are obliged to contemplate.
And it is part of the attempt by a postwar generation to explain why the past must not repeat itself to those who will one day run Europe's economic and political powerhouse. The effort, some educators argue, has visibly faltered in the wave of attacks on foreigners and the rise of neo-Nazi groups since the Berlin Wall fell in 1989.
Yet, in interviews with students, both in Bonn and in a comparable high school in what was once East Berlin, a clear impression emerged that while many young Germans sense no personal guilt for a past generation's crimes, they feel a responsibility to thwart any revival of their history's racism, anti-Semitism, militarism and nationalism.
At the same time, though, they share a nagging worry that their own history hampers what they say should be a justifiable sense of pride in their own nation's achievements.
"The Americans can put their flag out in their own backyard, and no one says anything, but if we did that we'd be accused of being Nazis," said Christian Kreutz, a 16-year-old student at Konrad Adenauer.
Stefan Bohm, in the former East Berlin, commented: "You can't say: 'I'm proud to be a German.' Beethoven was a German, too, but everything now is seen through the Second World War."
Some seemed uneasy with or skeptical at the Government's line that the end of the war in Europe, 50 years ago in May, offered most Germans a liberation from Hitler's tyranny because, some students say, most Germans took part in what happened, one way or another.
In the effort to escape the Nazis' centralization of power, the authorities of the various federal states took responsibility for postwar education, so there is no single standardized curriculum for teaching modern German history. But in 1991, the federal Government's educational-monitoring agency urged that the Nazis be subject to an "intensive and thorough treatment" in schools and that "the memory of the Holocaust is kept alive."
In West Germany during the first postwar decades, Mr. Wilms said, history books were written by Nazi-era teachers, and the urge to repress the past was widespread.
The new text seems to offer a fuller picture. And the chapter on the Nazi era and the Holocaust, taught to 16-year-olds, enjoins them to ask: "Who knew what? Who participated and who kept their distance and in what ways were people's dealings and convictions affected by the National Socialist system of dominance?"
The answers seem to offer a broad indictment: "Membership of the Nazi Party promised influence, professional security, a career." While those who said later that they had joined simply to protect themselves and their families, the school book tells young Germans, the reality was that by joining the party, Germans "strengthened the party and the dominance of the Nazis."
No effort is made to discount the Holocaust or the role played in it by individual Germans, the Nazi regime or German industry. Part of the chapter chronicles the chemical giant I. G. Farben's establishment of a branch called I. G. Auschwitz, near the death camp in German-occupied Poland -- a factory making artificial rubber that used camp inmates as laborers and sent them to the gas chambers when they weakened.
"Every student in Germany must tackle this theme," Mr. Wilms said. "No one can say they didn't know."
They are taught that the Nazis came to power on the wings of economic collapse and humiliation at Germany's defeat in the First World War. They are taught about Hitler's race laws. They are taught that their forebears killed six million Jews. But they also learn that this was history, with a European and a German context, not personal guilt.
"We cannot do anything about it -- it was our grandparents that did it," said Barbara Schuler, a 16-year-old student at Konrad Adenauer High School, in suburb of Bad Godesberg. "But we should not forget it."
For most Germans, education about the war begins at home, in sometimes painful encounters. "If you ask your grandparents if they supported the regime, you don't get an answer," said Matthias Fink, a scholar at the same school.
Not surprisingly, a group of 17-year-olds in the Hans und Hilde Coppi Gymnasium, named for anti-Nazi resistance fighters, in the less affluent Karlshorst district of the former East Berlin had different experiences to recount.
In the depiction of the former Communist education system, said Daniel Hadrisch, a 17-year-old, the East Germans, "were all anti-Fascists" while the Nazi mantle "was given to the West Germans."
Their teacher, Roswitha Quiram, was more forthright. "I don't have a bad conscience," she said. "I don't see myself as responsible. But I would be responsible if it happened again."
Mr. Wilms, the teacher in Bonn, said that "each year, I take a group of students to Auschwitz." On one occasion, he said, his group of young Germans was insulted by a group of young Israelis. "My group was very upset," he recounted. "They said, 'What's that got to do with us? We can't help it.' "
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black people as slaves. Majority of white people didn't. The fact is it's illegal to have slavery in most states at 1860.
Saying White people owned Black people is same as saying Muslims are terrorists. No, only a small group of Muslims are terrorists, majority of them are not.
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You can see where he's attempting to go with this. He's attempting to paint those who oppose C.R.T. curriculums in schools as "not wanting to teach about Slavery." It's a false analogy.
I agree with everything Condi said. I'm a big fan of hers.
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Everyone wants slavery to be taught as the historical evil it was.
Indeed, it is strange that anyone would ever suggest that was ever an issue...unless, of course, they are trying to mislead their audience.
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Doesn't change that.
That's why if you ask someone to explain how CRT is taught in K-12 there are a hundred different answers.
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Ian Prior leading this right wing gaslight you guys would have one less thing to get your panties in a twist. Equity teaching/training doesn't equal CRT. Teaching about slavery and civil rights doesn't equal CRT!
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That headline is bullshit as usual. but yes, i agree with Rice. White people aren't "triggered" when acknowledging slavery. What triggers this white person is when you want to blame me for shit that happened 200 years before i was born.
Let's use ground zero Loudon County. What are they insisting is CRT that is being taught in their schools?
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She’s generally on point which will piss off both the Wokesters and the Citizen Free Pressers.