If the capital police would've opened fire on all insurrectionist that tried to over power them
with weapons and barricades, they would justified like Kyle Rittenhouse, correct? The secret service agent who killed Ashli Babbit as she rabidly attempted to break through a barricade with the "Hang Mike Pence" crowd behind her is also warranted, right?
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whats your point? that people would have died?
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Babbit is more analogous to George Floyd, Jacob Blake, Rayshard Brooks, etc.
She put herself in danger by refusing to comply with police orders. All of these people would still be alive (walking in Blake’s case) if they had simply followed instructions.
Whether any of these incidents resulted from justified use of lethal force by police is a separate matter. Even when unjustified, it is still true that they put themselves in danger…needlessly.
None of this applies in the Rittenhouse case, imo.
Not even close ..... which makes your ilk part of the problem in America.
Absolutely warped perspective.
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Very inciteful. Thank you.
Well argued, as well. As soon as you said, “No, not even close” I knew you had me on the ropes. How can anyone rebut something as persuasive as that?
You actually require guidance?
Let’s start with your premise that they all belong in the same “if they had simply followed instructions” bucket.
Floyd, Blake, and Brooks died or were seriously injured because police officers deemed their blackness a threat. Your premise that the 3 blacks were complicit in their deaths reflects how tainted your belief system is. A jury has determined that George Floyd is a murder victim. Yet, he is still complicit for not submitting more decisively to the police officers?
Newsflash: many motorists and pedestrians are fussy or noncompliant or outright combative when stopped/detained by cops. [My guess is that I have prosecuted/defended 3000-4000 cases involving traffic stops, and have probably watched camera footage in 400-500]. Motorists can be defiant and complete assholes, but they aren’t shot. In fact, I have consistently witnessed outstanding policing and communication skills in dealing with such persons.
Ashli Babbitt wasn’t a traffic stop case. She was part of a large mob that had breached 3-4 lines of police, and was part of a frontal assault on the House/Senate, in the process of certifying a Presidential Election. The camera footage just prior to Babbitt being justifiably fired upon, reflects the gravity of the threat she and the mob/insurgents presented. It was legions more than a “if they had simply followed instructions” situation.
The fact that Babbitt was not armed is irrelevant and insulting to the police and agents who were defending a swiftly developing and dangerous scenario. Watch the video. All of it.
Babbitt deserved to be shot and killed. Trump recruited her. She drank the Kool Aid. Much like any terrorist across the globe.
Your vaccines are already causing capillary leak syndrome
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Meh. Pretty weak effort there, counselor.
Asserting that some people don't die in spite of not being cooperative is not actually an argument that they didn't also place themselves in danger.
Try harder.
Edit: HaHa! And I missed that "they deemed their blackness a threat" thing earlier. I'll give you a "D" for effort with that one. Who needs any actual evidence to make ridiculous assertions? Certainly not Conor Larkin, Esq.
I think when he posted "your ilk" that sealed the deal
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Yep, cue the Chris Rock skit...
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The only qualification I would add is that while Rittenhouse wasn’t commanded not to go the riot
armed, which was illegal for him as a minor, if he had just followed the law, those deaths wouldn’t have happened.
It was a terrible decision for him to go there.
Taking a gun was a terrible call as well. Not spoken about is the fact that it was a terrible decision for the three other guys to go there as well (and not just because of the outcome for them personally). In fact, it was a terrible decision for anybody to be involved on either "side". That was not a protest, it was violent mayhem.
No, her death isn’t analogous to those mentioned.
And right, her death isn't comparable to the Rittenhouse murders.
Secret service agent stood his ground as she and others were a threat, he ended it.
Just saying all of the insurrectionist that day were also lucky.
I think it's only you and Conor that think they should have been mowed down.
Well, I hope it's only you and Conor.
Real Americans hold the line against insurrectionists.
They never should have breached the interior of the building.
Any survivors would have been handled shovels. They could tend to their wounds on their own time.
Has anyone been charged with insurrection? Just asking for a friend.
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Is that Las Vegas shooter guy available to chief of the capitol police?
Err, guess not.
She was unarmed dickhead.
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she paid for sin whith her life. now she a dickhead?
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No Hank. He is calling Questy a dickhead. (Rightly so) and saying Babbit was unarmed.
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To be fair...I believe the pejorative was directed at Q412.
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Hank ain’t all that and a bag of chips in the brain dept.
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She was breaking into the peoples' house.
Those dopes were lucky that only one was killed. It was amazing restraint.
"People's house" means it's her house too. Can't break into your own house.
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what house.
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Misinformed and weak reply, but carry on Sally Sensitive. Thank Frank for correcting you.
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What weapon was she carrying?
"rabidly attempted to break through a barricade"...obviously you haven't seen the video.
Irrelevant. She wasn’t shot for carrying a weapon.
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So you ADMIT it was a political assassination. Killed for her beliefs!
I knew it!
Well if you put it that way……I guess so.
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If someone is breaking into your place, you run to your bedroom but they keep trying to get to you
you have a gun, do you use it?
It's just a question. But I'll bet you can't answer it directly with a simple answer of Yes or No.
Answer my simple question. Stop changing the subject.
To answer your question: I would use my gun if I fear for my life.
She was leading a mob toward where lawmakers including the VP were evacuating. One of Kyle’s victims
was also unarmed.
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Was she doing more than leading a group. I don't know, was she armed was she physically threatening,
I think not. If she was than possibly justifiable to shut her down without killing her.
She was illegally in the Capitol, in a riot, leading a mob toward evacuating lawmakers
through a window after being told to stop. That will get you shot any day, and twice on Sunday.
Did you feel the same when the WH was under threat and DJT had to be sent to the safe zone? ........
Nope. It's all about who's doing what to who.
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But the other two were correct? One with a firearm drawn and pointed at Rittenhouse?
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That can happen when you decide to deputize yourself as the great vigilante.
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So yes then?
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I believe that is what “that can happen” means.
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Wow. Ok then!
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The point is simple. He did something illegal and underage and inserted himself in the middle of a
riot across state lines with an armalite rifle. None of this happens if he follows the law and doesn’t do that. Surely as a law and order guy, you agree with that point? On the self defense argument, I will respect what the jury decides. They heard the evidence. But he caused all this, plain and simple.
Of course I agree with you on that point.
I think the whole thing was and continues to be a shitshow with nutties on both side fucking it up for us normals.
But here we are. We're all just snarky fucking bumper stickers on cars at this point!
I respect the system and a jury may accept his defense. The larger indictment of
our current lawless society stands whether it be BLM rioters, Babbit leading a mob through a broken window to get at evacuating lawmakers at the Capitol, or illegally getting a semi auto rifle, appointing yourself a vigilante deputy, and inserting yourself at 17 into the middle of that riot. What thee holy fook have we come to here?
I blame the new math. Drives kids nuts!
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This narrative is nonsense. Dude thought he was an active shooter and attempted to disarm him and
he also happened to have a weapon. If he wanted to just put a bullet in him he could've it. But you agree that the capital police could've sprayed a bunch of bodies as well, right?
When they were being attacked and beaten, they could have used deadly force.
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No not necessarily. I don't think the two episodes are analogous at all.
FYI it's not a narrative. I believe that is what the court testimony reflects. The armed "medic" himself testified that he was drawn on Rittenhouse.
Don’t ask them logical questions. It hurts their brains.
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Xi is to the Communistic party deep state as Xiden is to the Commie Kenyan deep state
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