Nature is taking a course to end the pandemic.
We humans are so so so impatient.
Meanwhile, therapeutics are becoming more and more effective.
Vaccines have their place... but are not the end all and be all and are becoming increasingly less critical for the species as a whole.
Link: https://slate.com/news-and-politics/2021/12/omicron-covid-reinfection-vaccine-protection.html
Replies to: Nature is taking a course to end the pandemic.
This cannot be possible - Fauci rang the alarm bells.
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To quote Yogi Berra..."It ain't over, till it's over"...but then some folks get impatient to spike
the football (just needling you ;-))...Omicron is by no means the last possible variant. As the attached article points out, so long as COVID-19 and its variants continue to circulate through the world's population, ANYTHING is possible, and our best defense is to get as many people vaccinated as possible, even if that means re-formulating a new mRNA version, which thankfully we can do in a matter of a few months.
Link: https://www.scmp.com/news/article/3158636/covid-19-why-hopes-omicron-variant-will-prove-less-deadly-may-be-premature?module=perpetual_scroll&pgtype=article&campaign=3158636
Go virus!!!!!! Right Ty? There are still MANY possibilities if Omicron fails.
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Infectious Diseases are not your area of specialty, Baron...you need to read what professionals in
that arena are saying...read the article and you'll gain knowledge so that you don't waste people's time with foolishness about Democrats purposely prolonging this pandemic...if any of your colleagues heard you talking like that, there's a good chance you'd be reported to the Michigan Medical Board...be careful.
Meanwhile, here's an important excerpt from the article I keep mentioning...
"Joy said a high vaccination rate would “definitely help”, adding: “A focus should be placed on increasing the vaccination rates in disadvantaged countries as this will help prevent more such variants arising in the future.”...
This emphasis on vaccination applies here in the USA as well.
There you go with threats again Ty.
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It depends on if Omicron can dominate over Delta like Delta killed off Alpha
Keep fingers crossed.
But one thing is very clear now, Omicron spreads extremely fast, much much faster than Delta, making mask useless. I am mask advocate. I always believe mask works to certain degree assuming it's N-95, not people's favorite cloth mask, and you wear it correctly. But now I think mask likely won't work on this super contagious Omicron.
Saw Hong Kong Omicron case. It happened in their quarantine hotel used specifically for travellers. They are fully vaccinated, all their rooms are separated well, all are kept in not contact with each other. But infection still happened. This Omicron is super fast.
Let me put this another way...visited with our family ICU Doc yesterday...every single COVID patient
in that ICU is unvaccinated (and the number is slowly growing)...please place your trust in the thousands upon thousands of Infectious Disease experts who have been serving us well for decades...they didn't suddenly 'mutate' into political hacks two years ago....encourage EVERYONE to get vaccinated.
Your family has yr own ICU Doc? Wow, u must be special! Can anybody borrow him/her?
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You'll have to check with the Babe.
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Was the Bambino the one who carried 56 golf clubs? Or was it his cousin that
was an astronaut? I can't keep all his bullshit straight.
Just sharing our good fortune by providing you and others with 'real world' info...you're welcome.
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Insert "my" for "real", and you would be more truthful
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No way is every COVID patient unvaccinated.
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I'll say it again...EVERY single (COVID) patient in that ICU is unvaccinated.
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Lied again. Patients stat is controlled by hospital admin, not by doc.
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An ICU Dr will usually know all of the cases in their unit if it’s not too big. While I am
more than a little suspicious about the existence of said person, it is true across the country that MOST seriously ill COVID admissions are among the unvaccinated.
The vaccine was 95% effective against the original iteration of COVID. Nothing is perfect. Curly’s new info is welcome news.
Our ICU now is crowded with non-covid patients. Stat can be misleading anyway if
We don't see the whole picture and context.
If ICU only has 1 covid patient who is unvaxxxed. Yes, you can say 100% covid ICU patients are unvaxxxed. But this stat is seriously misleading.
Good grief, Eli...I clearly stated that every COVID patient in the ICU was unvaccinated, not
every ICU patient...and, while I didn't ask for a count of COVID patients, the number is definitely more than one, and the ICU Doc said the number is growing. As we've discussed before, even in places like the Netherlands, it is TYPICAL for COVID ICU patients to be 97-98% unvaccinated...the message can't be any clearer to the population...GET VAXXED!
My post meant to respond to baron, didn't meant you. I'm good on 1 to 1, not 1 to many
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Are you saying that our ICU Doc's hospital staff, including the triage nurses, ER Docs,
admins and QA personnel are banding together to "cook the books" and ID vaccinated patients as 'un-vaccinated'?...is that what you're trying to have us believe?...or are you simply calling that ICU Doc a liar?
People are just referring to your post, not the fictitious people contained in it.
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LOL...Life becomes very easy when all you have to do is call "Liar" at something you don't like ;-).
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When poster has a history, it's easy.
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Again so binary. There seems to be a third option potentially at play here.
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And that is...?
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Oh no,Ty. This is your chance to grow. Think about it, I’ll be glad to tell you if you get it.
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Even if I were to follow you down that rabbit hole, would it materially change the 'message' that
vaccination is any person's best choice?
There you go being binary again! Not “any person’s” best choice.
But most people’s best choice.
You know darn well that there are always exceptions (and there are here), but for the sake of your messaging, you don’t acknowledge them. You lose credibility when you do that which hurts the message.
The Biden admin has done the same thing.
"it is true across the country that MOST seriously ill COVID admissions are among the unvaccinated"
Your words...let's just stop there...that's all I'm trying to convey...not split hairs on whether the number is 100%...98%...or 97%....everyone get vaccinated...agree?
I said what is true. Why lie about it? Because you dont trust people to handle the truth? This is
exactly what Fauci & Bidens admin have fone - they said whatever they think will work to get people to do what they want ( and what they want is political most of the time).
People making false claims have worked against the cause of vaccination. It is not s little thing as you try to make it. Trust and credibility are critical.
LOL...you are unique.
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I didn’t take his post as a refutation of the vaccine. From actual first hand experience,
most (by a wide margin),but not all of the patients hospitalized where I am are unvaccinated. While we have seen a couple of deaths from fully vaccinated, they were extremely elderly.
The vaccine is protective while at the same time Curly’s post is great news. You are far too binary, and your fulcrum is political.
Baron...you have perfected the practice of "Projection" into a 'Fine Art' ;-)...IMO, there is NO ONE
on this board more "Binary" than you are...case in point...ANYONE who you even suspect as having "Liberal" tendencies is shunned and not listened to...c'mon, admit it.
Back to the point of the thread...without vaccines we'd have overrun hospitals and morgues...not something I'd want to see...not sure if Curly understands that yet.
I don’t suspect that you have liberal tendencies.
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The market is reacting to this as we speak.
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It could be good news, if it shoves aside Delta, and remains less lethal
Then again, prior infection does not seem to offer much protection. Early reports indicate that the vaccines do much better against Omicron than does prior infection.
So we have large vulnerable swaths of the country. Mostly here in the south.
Hold on Curls. Big Pharma hasn't made enough money yet on this. There is going to be at least
5 more "variants" that are all going to need boosters. You know the boosters that don't protect the people getting them unless everyone gets them. We have to protect the vaccinated, from what I'm not sure.
You have a 'unique' way of processing information...see this excerpt from your linked article...
"Experts emphasize that vaccines will provide some protection against the variant, especially against the worse outcomes of infection, like hospitalization and death. “There’s no reason to suppose that they won’t,” Michael Ryan, head of emergencies at the WHO said. That said, preliminary data appears to suggest omicron is able to cause reinfection at a higher rate compared to previous variants, which is of particular concern to countries where vaccination rates are low."
Lesson learned...Vaccines do have their "Place" ;-)...Hey, Everyone...GET VACCINATED!
I take the long view not the kneejerk one.
Many experts agreed that viruses become more transmissible and less pathogenic over time. After all, from an evolutionary perspective it makes no sense for a pathogen to harm the host on which it depends for its survival. According to this reasoning, virulence is little more than a temporary evolutionary imbalance.
All Omicron cases outside Africa started from fully vaxxxed. What
Protection did the "expert" tell you the vaccine provided? Death? The linked article by curly exactly tells you no death caused by Omicron so far, making so called death argument useless. You are full of yourself without critical thinking a little bit.
I have no doubt if expert tells you to jump off the cliff, you will do it without hesitation.
Listen to yourself...by your account, ALL those Omicron cases are in 'fully vaccinated' persons,
yet you then say that NO deaths have been recorded from Omicron infections...sounds like a ringing endorsement for vaccines to me...
btw, are you suggesting that ONLY vaccinated people can become infected with Omicron???...not sure you want to go there, but then based on your post, I wouldn't rule it out.
I hope I'm not thinking of you too "Critically" ;-)
"NO deaths" is from the article which includes cases in Africa which has most cases
Africa is highly unvaxxxed.
No offense. But you are kind of stupid to talk with, or you pretend this way.
Impatience, is it? I guess we humans should have waited this out - cull the weak
and immune compromised from our communities and nations. Just a few tens of millions dead and many, many more severely
affected by just having had the virus - But I guess you're right, we're just so impatient as humans.
I'm not sure if dingbat is in your vocabulary, you may want to look into a mirror to see if there is one there.