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It's beyond ridiculous at this point.
Link: https://dailycaller.com/2018/09/14/bob-woodward-trump-collusion/
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You're stuck in fantasyland.
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Yeah, go ahead....play with that sentence. It's my gift to you.
The other master colluder Papa-D is serving less jail time than a shoplifter.
As I said, Still no collusion.
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For a future "I told you so."
involving the Trump campaign."
Psalm 64:1-10
Hide me from the conspiracy of the wicked, from the plots of evildoers. They sharpen their tongues like swords and aim cruel words like deadly arrows. They shoot from ambush at the innocent; they shoot suddenly, without fear.
Link: https://twitter.com/nprpolitics/status/1040640794091237376
And it would be sorta strange, since the Russia probe led to the incidental findings about Manafort's criminality.
We will see.
Link: https://www.cnn.com/2018/09/14/politics/paul-manafort-guilty-plea/index.html
So I take it back.
But one fact is clear: Manafort's allocution implicates Podesta lobbying the Obama admin on the Ukraine when Podesta wasn't registered to do so. Who knows, maybe Mueller will bring down the other person who violated FARA.
In fact, no one will care one bit. Take down whoever knowingly cooperated with Russian intel.
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He did the same things as Manafort. The DOJ's unequal application of criminal law is a big reason why your President's name is Donald Trump, as we all know Hillary committed crimes for which lesser people would've been charged. He turned that fact into an election victory.
I think you know deep down that the worst thing Comey and Lynch ever did was not charge her. It would've been, and should've been, a Biden-Trump faceoff.
that helped elect Orange.
I also think it would have then been Biden and he would have won.
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You are aware that Page was a Russian asset well before Trump?
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You never know.
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Cool. I'm pretty sure we have the equivalent of your Constitution, Supreme Court, gun rights and abortion laws but we never talk about them nor do they enter into the political debates of the country. I couldn't name one person sitting on our Supreme Court. Maybe Anne Murray? I don't know. These things just invisibly operate in the background of life, going unnoticed like really good umpires and referees. I hope you guys get here some day.
That wasn't intended to sound holier than thou. It's just an observation.
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I really understand and believe what your observed. What you described in your post is very similar to that in China, i.e. people don't care about those things. China maybe even has more freedom in certain area because people in China can make political incorrect speech and comments which won't be allowed in most Western countries. But the point is if you don't know universe, you don't understand you are limited and restricted to a tiny planet - earth.
If you were to deny this, it would prove my point.
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while Mr. Puppet Master in Russia is laughing his ass off.
Charges. Thus, even though Trump can tell the truth, it is treated like a lie by Mueller if say a proven liar like Page says otherwise to get a reduced sentence. Thus, the truth is NOT the truth with A Independent Prosecutor Investigation.
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In their initial statement they said, “the President did nothing wrong and Paul Manafort will tell the truth.” Minutes later, they put out a new statement that said simply: “the President did nothing wrong.”
as a supposedly shrewd political operative who could help get the nomination.
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What I keep wondering is; for two plus hours, Donny and Putin had a meeting - what possible policy or political talk could Donny talk that extensively about for that amount of time and without notes? What we know is, he couldn't, he's just not smart enough or informed enough.
I think it was a conditioning session for Donny by his asset.
Crazy, I know but is it really?
I'm sure it's all just an innocent misunderstanding that Donald can clear up if he speaks with Mueller.
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Trump and team never wanted nor expected to win. Everyone involved tried to enrich themselves in the process of the charade. It's good that people are being prosecuted for their misdeeds, but the collusion theory still looks pretty silly especially since as you state "collusion isn't a crime".
I agree on the winning thing. Orange knew about and accepted the help, but never expected to have to pay it back.
Collusion isn’t a crime and I’m not sure they can pin anything criminal on him. Never said that they have sufficient evidence of criminality. I’ll wait for the report.
But, don’t shit in the street and call it chocolate ice cream. The campaign clearly colluded and he knew about it and approved it even if that part can’t be proven.
Given the chance, do you doubt Hillary and Co. wouldn't do the same (anything) to win?
But there's the rub, I don't think Trump and Co. really expected or even wanted to win. That assumption of mine blows up the whole theory which is why I remain skeptical. Trump and Co. have a history of financial dealings with the Russians so maybe these Russian ties, meetings and such aren't "collusion" but simply more of the same, enrich thyself. Isn't that the most plausible explanation? Were crimes committed? Obviously they were (financial/tax), and as I have continually stated I approve of the Mueller investigation, but let's not continue to make it into something it isn't.
Of course you guys point to the fact that Trump "looks guilty" or is "acting like a guilty person would" to support your claim, is this really any different than the birthers "then why won't he release his birth certificate!"? Is this any different than Hillary negotiating an off the record interview with the FBI in which she had a sudden bout of amnesia regarding her emails? ("What about Hillary!" As the alternative bad choice, she remains relevant in this.) Trump is no doubt guilty of much, a distinction that usually makes no difference in Washington nor among the world's elite rich and famous. I don't feel sorry for Don at all, but the hypocrisy of it all is just a bit too much for me.
If Trump is removed from office as a result of shady business dealings in his past, I think that is a just result in a vacuum. But the coordination involved between investigators, politicians and media types has to bother people that believe in concepts such as the will of the people. I really wish the red scare crowd could see the irony in their tactics and how it could backfire. I agree with you that some of this is Ken Starr coming back around to bite the republicans in the ass, but that doesn't make it good.
There's a pragmatic side of me that was glad Trump was elected, thinking that maybe people would come to their senses after seeing how far we've fallen. But I was wrong. It's gotten much much worse and I fear what comes next the most. The next Dem president will have the cover of "but Trump!" which will be several orders of magnitude beyond "but Clinton!". Essentially "your rules" a concept I loathe, on steroids. So I guess I fear for the future of the Republic but not in the same way as the liberal johnny come lately Paul Reveres.
I balee the campaign clearly knew about the e mails and that the Russians were going to release them, and if they won there was a debt there. Again, bidness as usual with the Russian oligarchy.
I’m not hypocritical at all about Hills. I’ve said numerous times she should have been indicted. It was a choice between the lesser of two criminals. I would likely be arguing with the libs if she had been elected, but she wasn’t. I will say that Trump’s unfitness and instability are much more concerning than how she would have been in that regard.
As much as I detest and despise Trump I recognize that we have a system and removing him would thwart what the electorate did. I also think the right has dug itself into a big hole on that one with Bill Clinton. They impeached and tried to remove him over very little. You can’t reconcile their positions. That is why this deep state/MSM garbage is such BS. The left said the same thing when it was the vast right wing conspiracy. The cry of a guilty person. I am waiting to see what Mueller actually produces. I will say I think in the end the only way he will be removed is if his unfitness is so manifest that a clear majority wants it to happen. At that point if the evidence of wrongdoing is there, I’m good with it.
It seems we only differ on the language and severity. Maybe criminal negligence vs criminal intent. They likely intended to commit crimes, but not the ones you say.
as it was with a hostile foriegn power.
I don’t think they though looked at it that way. I think they looked at it as another bidness transaction that lil Orange, Jared, and Manafort were use to doing with these guys. I also think you are missing your own point. They never thought they would win, but it would embarrass and harm Hillary. That I do think was the main goal of both sides with Orange winning not thought probable, but a huge bonus if it happened for the Russians. But I don’t balee the campaign thought they were going to prolly have to do anything after the election as Hillary would prolly win.
Don and crew were probably pawns in that alleged scheme, if they contributed at all.
I disagree though that the goal of the Trump crew was to "damage Hillary". The Clintons and Trumps have been friends for decades. I believe what is most probable is that every action at the top was to elevate the drama, turning the election into a sort of WWF match for another season of the apprentice or whatever. To support this theory, I give you the Birther drama and Don taking credit for the release. To his credit, It was comical and entertaining, but it was an obvious PR stunt.
The actions of the underlings is the result of good old fashioned greed. Occam's razor and such.
They wanted her to be damaged goods as well.
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Like if Paulie’s benefactor just happened to come up with stolen emails from HRC, he wouldn’t have told that to the campaign before releasing them?