50 millions American audiences have listened to this episode. We have 250 millions adults in this country. So, I guess on average we should have 4-5 posters on this board who have listened to it.
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and pharma money that's getting in the way of "science"
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……..it is interesting that he was a primary proponent of a failed solution for AIDS (which ended up best managed by therapeutics). It is his “bent” so to speak. But many doctors fall into the old trap: “If all you have is a hammer, the. Your problems all look like nails”.
While the 2 shot vaccine was the first best option, we have moved further in therapeutics such that those who do not feel comfortable receiving the vaccine should take heart.
recommended on staying healthy from C19 and that which he espoused and preached ended up taking his life because he was wrong. Not only did it end his life but his perspective also took the lives of many others. Like Killshot, we can also say that of DJTRUMP. And I will add your earlier recommendations of HDCQ, ivermectin may have misled many too but at least you much later begrudgingly agreed that being vaccinated is a good idea.
While the science and knowledge on C19 has evolved and graduated from earlier discoveries the basic recommended use of masks, social distancing remain the best solutions to staying healthy along with being vaccinated.
Please stop trying to be this voice of reason - you have been everything but a man of reason.
I actually advocated against using it rather than proven options.
Link: https://forum.uhnd.com/forum/index.php?action=display&forumid=2&msgid=43003
initially, and always the Mask wearing, social distancing and anything the CDC / Fauci recommends. You agreed with DJTrump on everything which would mean
disinfectants, UV lights and so on. You actively misled anyone who would listen to you and take you seriously - sadly a lot like what our very
own Killshot did. We know his rhetoric and position led to the hospitalization and probable deaths of many who listened to him so we
should gather you using your said position has done similarly.
You want to come across as a man of reason and yet your path is of the unreasonable. And now can be seen as destructive to others.
There's nothing reasonable about you. The fact you can position yourself as not recommending ivermectin now but have no desire to
dispute the rest of my post says it all quite clearly.
You have zero credibility.
you’re actually saying things that are not true. You also lack the intellect to understand the nuance of “off label prescribing” at a time when no other options exist, so I won’t try to explain yet again.
I recommended against Ivermectin rather than proven options, and I provided my post. I also have been a consistent advocate for the 2 shot vaccine in adults.
You have to know how it is going to end.
…..when someone doesnt support his politics, he “hears” what he expects to hear rather than what is said.
I am easier on Jim because I believe him to suffer from mental illness.
the fringe mouth pieces said worked - including Ivermectin. You and Markharman and all your pals here. You called mask wearing and social distancing
stupid. You called the virus a D hoax along with all the rest of the Trumpies here.
You have been unreasonable and wrong on C19 throughout the pandemic. You have no cred.
you lack the brain power to see the damage you and your pals have inflicted upon your neighbors and countrymen through your lies and falsehoods
about the CDC - Fauci - and any Dr. who didn't agree with your nutty claims.
You have littered this forum with scads of disinformation, misinformation and out and out falsehoods on C19 and the science world trying to combat it.
You were against vaccines as necessary long before you backed them.
Your next post about Fauci and the CDC will once again be wrong headed.
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You have no shame at all, Eli...;-)...this guy is off in "La-La Land"...
As for Baron's weak endorsement of Dr. Malone and his objection to "Censorship"...ask him how many Michigan Doctors are reprimanded, suspended or "Cancelled" each year by the state's Medical Board for 'Incompetence' and a host of other reasons...not unlike what happened in Oregon to a Doc who spouted such mis-information on COVID-19. (You can Google "Michigan Department of Licensing and Regulatory Affairs..." for Medicine)
When physicians speak and act like Dr. Malone...they are held accountable so as to protect the public from harmful influences...and "Censorship" is the least of their worries.
btw, if you want to go 'round-and-round' on Ivermectin (a favorite of Dr. Malone), I've got a fantastic video for you that will crush that notion...it runs for 1-1/2 hrs, but for you, I'll give you the Cliffs Notes...it takes a dosage of Ivermectin that is THOUSANDS of times larger than what Pfizer anti-viral pill does...which brings in the issue of TOXICITY...you know...the sort of thing that lands Ivermectin takers in Poison Control Centers and ERs.
Talk about "Wack-a-Mole"...you are the best...and Baron deserves some credit here as well ;-).
Link: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robert_W._Malone
Weird.
things as ...'Pfizer and Moderna vaccines make the virus WORSE!'...or, 'FDA DIDN'T grant FULL approval for the Pfizer and Moderna vaccines!'...or, 'Popularizing the use of "Ivermectin" for COVID treatment'...
BTW, there are currently 35 references in the Wikipedia page and I must say the vast majority are not kind to Dr. Malone...nonetheless, it must be very important to you for some reason when an edit just happens to occur recently...makes all the difference, I guess in how you view him...don't bother explaining...I really don't want to go there ;-).
Assuming you understand how Wikipedia works, maybe I shouldn't assume that, but regardless... Is it not a little unsettling that I read a different version of the "article" than the one you read and posted yesterday?
I found Dr. Malone interesting, but I don't have any particular desire for him to be right. In fact, as I posted above I really hope he's wrong. But his points are worthy of consideration in a storm of bad data and institutionalized hive mentality censorship and suppression of contrarian thought. He doesn't appear to have selfish or self-serving reasons for speaking out other than what he states: "it's about my children and grandchildren".
He comes off to me as credible, passionate and noble in intention. Yet, I still hope he's wrong as it seems he does as well.
What's most striking to me is that you have half a dozen posts criticizing the man before even listening to him speak. Not a recipe for open mindedness or truth seeking.
better things to do than listen to him on Joe Rogan...
From our previous conversations, I hope you've seen me go to greater lengths than many on this board to read and view postings and links...but Dr. Malone has shown himself to be so far away from what I know to be proper scientific practice and thought that I honestly can't indulge him.
btw, did I just read that the Rogan/Malone interview has been removed from Social Media?...what's up with that?...something tells me that I'm not alone in 'dissing' Dr. Malone.
Unfortunate you can't see the irony of your advocacy for science vs your religious belief in demonstrably flawed science. You allow for the evolution of the science but only as it fits your religious beliefs.
Science as it relates to CoVid is so corrupted by corporate interests, politics and profit motives. The simplest and easiest example is the suppression of the lab leak theory, which was very obviously a coordinated effort to suppress investigation and, ya know, scientific study. The truth came out, kinda sorta, but only barely.
You're a pawn Tyrone, which begs the question: Why should I or anyone else care what you think?
example of either "demonstrably flawed science", or "corrupted science" in relation to COVID-19...btw, wrt the "Lab Leak" hypothesis, read the linked article before you double-down on that...it demonstrates that no conclusion has been reached, and probably won't ever be...so, just stop trafficking in suspicions...'cause that's all you've got.
On the positive side, we've got tremendously effective vaccines brought to us by outstanding scientists...they work very, very well at keeping people out of hospitals and morgues...regardless of how SARS-Cov-2 came to be...contrary to what Dr. Malone says about them.
Link: https://www.newyorker.com/science/elements/the-mysterious-case-of-the-covid-19-lab-leak-theory
It does make you lose confidence in Wikipedia for anything related to politics when the edit rate is high.
he is...a "Beautiful Mind" gone to waste...it's very sad, but it happens.
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unlike myself, you failed to provide a convenient link so that I didn't have to go searching for it...
Do what you should have done and I'll take a look at it....while you're at it, how about adding your thoughts beforehand, so I know what parts to pay special attention to.
Since I've already provided a link that speaks to Dr. Malone's 'Bona Fides'...do you care to contest any of the derogatory comments in it?
Anyone here have listened to it. 50 millions have listened to it. I am sure I am not the only one here. If you didnt listen to it, that's fine. I am not forcing you to listen. Again, I came here to discuss and debate, not to spread propaganda.
guilty for presenting it to the board ;-)...just because you invent an invective against me, doesn't change what the CDC, FDA, WHO, etc. is saying...i'm not making anything up...you can verify every statement I've made as being grounded in what those true Experts have said and are saying as we speak.
Based on what I've just said...it would appear to me that your assertion is a pure case of "Projection" on your part...not at all uncommon right now...but that's just my opinion.
I said I'd watch the Joe Rogan episode you're referencing...would it be so troublesome for you to post the link...as I try so often to do for you and others?
The issue is you can link all the world's health organizations information, you can spread them, but you don't really study them. That's why I call you propaganda poster. Your Post of Kaiser foundation report is a good example.
Distancing) as much as possible...especially indoors...With Omicron, up your game to use 'N95' masks...and above all...FOLLOW CDC RECOMMENDATIONS until your local state and county tell you we've achieved "Endemic" conditions and again abide by their guidance.
Imagine...thousands of reports from all over the world, reduced to a few sentences...just for you...you're WELCOME!
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they recreated the bath house experience at some doctors house and they all had to be tested else they would send left overs to the bath house
it's their life's work, for heaven's sake...don't try to "outsmart" them...just listen and follow....they REALLY ARE trying to keep you well...and alive.
I can't believe all this nonsense...these very same people were trusted implicitly just two years ago...now they're all 'Idiots' and "Political Operatives'???...think about that...it's crazy to believe that tens of thousands of medical professionals decided in an instant to play games with your health...it's NOT HAPPENING....sheesh.
The only reason they aren't de-platformed for "disinformation" is because they're on the acceptable side of science by consensus/popularity.
and then present it to your peers...and then to acknowledged experts in the relevant field?...in short, have you ever had to follow the "Scientific Method"?...if not, I'll understand your confusion, but if you have, I am dumbfounded at your post...you should know better since the EVIDENCE of mRNA vaccine efficacy in keeping people out of hospitals and morgues is being proven every single day.
Dr. Malone has failed miserably in the COVID-19 arena, in front of much better scientists than he...when he utters statements that the mRNA vaccines make COVID WORSE, he might as well put on a clown suit and go on Joe Rogan's show.
My background and education is in robotics and industrial automation.
I spent 20+ years programming, troubleshooting and improving robots and machines. Now I am more in the IT space between where stuff is made and how to improve the efficiency of the entire operation from supply chain to production to inventory and shipping logistics. My primary talent is in data querying, aggregation, analysis and visualization.
In order to solve a problem, you have to start from a assumption that all of the data that the current problematic model is based on is suspect. Then you go about validating and revising until the model's predictions reflect the observed past. Then you move forward with the new model always knowing that it's still not likely perfect and acknowledging that future adjustments are likely.
is a real thing...hypotheses get tested and challenged by those who understand the 'science' or 'technology'...Dr. Malone's statement that the mRNA vaccines make COVID-19 WORSE, is not supported by any scientific process or data...and in the face of overwhelming evidence of efficacy, his statement borders on lunacy...this is why I would only watch a video of him in order to understand what nonsense would be expected from those who didn't know any better.
Let me ask you...do you agree with Dr. Malone that the Pfizer and Moderna vaccines have made COVID-19 worse?
Like I said, Malone is interesting. Is he right? We'll probably never know for the reasons I already stated. And for the 3rd time, I hope he is wrong, but that isn't the point. The point is that he should be heard (not censored) and his hypotheses should be tested (with real, valid data if we had it).
Remember, Einstein was considered a kook before his theories were provable by new methods of observation. Galileo was deemed a heretic. Major scientific discovery tends to happen on the fringe, away from the mainstream.
Can you think of any scientific justification for ceasing to collect data as the CDC did in May 2021 regarding breakthrough infections?
Can you think of any scientific justification for a coordinated effort to suppress the lab leak theory without investigation? Since you're so fond of links, I provided one.
If you either neglect to collect data or the data you have is invalid, there is no way to test hypotheses. This has been the situation since the beginning of the pandemic and will likely be so moving forward. Because, it clearly isn't about the science.
Link: https://www.nytimes.com/2021/05/31/opinion/media-lab-leak-theory.html
>First off, Dr. Malone's promotion of Ivermectin was not even supported by its manufacturer (Merck) who clearly stated it should NOT be used to treat COVID-19...that should be enough to close the door on the good doctor...no 'maybes' about it...he had his chance to prove his theory, it didn't pass a peer review...this was not a case of 'censorship'.
>Einstein was never considered a "Kook"...I've read several accounts of his life...his theories were challenging to the established order, but he followed the Scientific Method and proved them...at which time everyone - even those who questioned him - applauded him...he was never summarily rejected or 'censored'...
>As for the CDC's decision to not record breakthrough cases, IMO it's because so many of them are asymptomatic that getting a reliable count is extremely difficult...what they do record are hospitalizations and deaths...thankfully, those numbers are very small and are a glowing testimony to the value of vaccinations...
>As for more deaths in 2021, that's when the Delta variant arrived and too many unvaccinated people let their guards down...again, the evidence is clear...ICU cases involve unvaccinated patients, to the tune of 95%+.
>Regarding the 'Lab Leak' theory...it's still 'murky'...lots' of articles from the NYT on this...as for suppression, I don't believe there is any on our side of the Pacific...China might have some reason to be secretive, but that is truly a case where "we may never know"...what we do need to do, IMO, is keep finding a way to establish mutually beneficial programs that have high levels of transparency moving forward.
Finally, I strongly believe that 'Science' is being followed by our Health Care institutions and the current administration...that was not the case previously. The only 'Fly in the Ointment' is China's authoritarian regime that stifles accountability...it's a struggle.
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I don't automatically assume they're not wrong, but given how the Great Fauchino and the CDC and other "experts" ave been constantly off base, neither do I discount the current consensus may be wrong.
life-saving skills?...The very same kinds of people in all things 'COVID' abide by the principle of "Evidence-Based Medicine"...and the evidence in the cases we're talking about says Drs, Malone, Risch and BVZ are wrong.because they failed to prove their claims using that principle...the principle of true EXPERTS who are accountable to their peers in open publications.
As for me, I'm pretty much just the messenger for their findings and I present them to you as factually as I can, with "links" when I can...Obviously, I've made my decision...I'm surprised that you still haven't after all this time....and evidence.
they're asking to see it instead of just falling in line
I am always suspicious of those who censor open debate. It is very unAmerican.
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You need to stop self-medicating.
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