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winning elections. We are in extraordinary times. Your analysis is pedestrian at best.

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dinner conversations about health care. no easy answer, Their taxes would cripple America, yet they do love their health care system. American’s would struggle waiting for services, bur I also accept people would enjoy not worrying about one sickness ruining their financial lives. like many things, people, government and business would have to change. if the entire change rests with one entity, it will never work. I do not and never will believe health care is a right, so any change should require some serious skin in the game for all citizens.

There is no "waiting for services" in Canada. If you need emergency care, you are triaged the same as in the US. If you are in for more than essential care, you make an appointment and get the care you need. You make Dr's appointments here in the US, and it's the same in Canada.

How much is your coverage today? You pay a lot for very little. Coverage in the US is a huge burden for the average incomed individual and even more so for the family. If you pay for family, the minimum costs are astronomical.

I find it difficult to believe you have had a substantive conversation with a Canadian on their HC vis a vis US lack of HC. You just prattle on with the rhetoric from places like FOX TV.

you should ask someone who actually lives in or has lived in Canada about their HC. I for one lived there for many years and can give first hand info about their HC.
It works.

I can give you first hand information about HC in the US - It doesn't work all that well and it's hugely expensive = yes, when it works well meaning you have the coverage, it's a great relief for when you have a catastrophic illness but when you don't have the means to pay for great coverage, you're fucked in the US. Not so in Canada.

estioning if I've even had a discussions with a Canadian.

It's damn expensive to live in Canada. Two of my co-workers are unwilling to return without a sizeable pay increase, because we just get more for our money here in the US. There is a reason why so many Canadians have shopping trips in the USA.

As for my discussions with Canadians, there have been many. I golf with Canadians and work with Canadians. They readily admit there are benefits, yet both groups have relayed tough stories about wait times and missed diagnoses.

No one said medical care isn't expensive. And in the US, we allow our citizens to be bamboozled, tricked, confidence gamed, and out right taken advantage of by Big Pharma - Big Hospital - Corporate Insurances - our Greedy Politicians, and in all create horrible super expensive HC system for the citizens the US.

Lets say we introduce our prices for medical care into Canada and take away their medical care system an return it with ours but we keep the currency difference to our advantage - what would your "co-worker" say then?

The question isn't the cost of living in Canada, it's their HC system compared with the US nonHC system.

I can't imagine why many or "so many" Canadians come here to the US to do their shopping - It costs them far more here - they just don't have to pay GST and PST.

Missed diagnosis? Are you being serious? Malpractice Insurances for MD's in the US are sky high and it's not because they're 100% accurate with their diagnosis.

You're conflating issues and inventing issues which have no part or reasoning to not have Single Payer Health Care in the US.

And no, I don't believe you are having substantive conversations about HC with Canadians.

You can tell your buddy, Jakers it's just Math.

ollar buys more Canadian stuff should be good for us when we go there; it's not. Hotels, wine, dinners are exorbitant and cost far more post an exchange of currency. Your comment about Canadians coming to the USA to buy stuff pretty much discredits you. They are leaving to avoid taxes. And, I have to question if you really spent anytime in Canada if you don't comprehend how many Canadians come to the USA to buy goods.

it's cheaper.

I didn't say they have HC all figured out nor did I say HC should be cheap - though it shouldn't be as expensive as it is in the US and by a big dollar amount.

If anything, you're pointing out some anecdotal mumbo-jumbo that no Canadian I know would say or has said. I also didn't say Canadians don't come to the US to shop because they do but not because the prices are any better (outside of discounted items which might be actually on sale).

Fair enough - the better part of thirty years with the majority of my immediate family still there. I lived in two places, on rural, one not.

Again, HC in the US sucks and it's extremely expensive and disproportionately so.

So no, I believe you have neither thought HC through vis a vis single payer system and US corporate HC. Nor do I believe you ever had a substantive conversation on HC with a Canadian.

It’s time to see “essential” health care as a basic human right but not to make it mandatory or one size fits all.

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everyday in emergency or essential care, there are those who have not paid for HC being treated. That drives up your taxes and you receive no benefit from them.

With a Single Payer system, every time someone purchases something, they're paying into the HC system - it's how it works.

And you can point out to your moron pal, Jakers - It's Math.

If every citizen is to be covered by a single budget, we cannot have non-citizens flowing in and consuming the finite resources. If you do, the costs will simply keep ballooning and the availability to those who are paying for it will suffer.

It's math.