How are we going to survive another week?
If the Wall doesn’t really work like the recent Dem talking points suggest, then what’s the worry?
How about considering the costs to all of those Dem lifers and Deep Staters and the cost to them by shutting down the government on political principal?
Dems have spent more on LGBTQ mountain Lion research and Planned Parenthood baby part sales than this.
Bastard Dems have abandoned their base!
over the spending of 10 hours worth of total Federal spending.
The House bill to reopen the government had just a month or two ago had been unanimously (or close to it) passed by the Senate, and agreed to by the President. That means, the House bill is something the House, the Senate and the President have all agreed to within the last month or two.
Hannity and Coulter did not agree to it. They caused Trump to change his mind (as best as I can tell). Now the Senate will not even vote on bill (that had previously passed unanimously) because McConnell won't let it come up for vote, all because he doesn't want to go against Trump.
Basically, and correct me if I am wrong, but the leader of the Senate will not let the Senate vote on legislation they've already approved, to re-open the government, because Hannity and Coulter have directed that it not be done. That is a little crazy, right?
I’ve heard the Left MSM Fake News people parroting this, but how would they possibly know that? They cannot.
Btw, I hope you understand my OP was tongue in cheek. I was merely stirring the wacky lib pot. It was not meant to attack reasonable liberals.
It didn't bother me. I was just continuing the general conversation.
And to answer your question - yes, that is where I got that information - from the media. That's sort of why I asked if I had everything right there. The evidence suggests that this the right interpretation. After strong criticism from the Rush/Hannity/Coulter (I forgot about Rush), the president did a 180 on the deal that had been made. Put another way, we wouldn't be in this mess if the President hadn't done a 180 on the deal. What caused him to reneg? There certainly was a lot of criticism.
....if he did it this year, he would face huge problems with his base politically.
Also, Trumps style of negotiation seems to be to agree to something, then when the other side relaxes and makes plans to take back the promise so as to pressure the other side to make concessions.....although it could just be a flip flop - but personally, I think it is a negotiation tactic he likes to use & May have done in the business world.
The problem is the wall is of no value to congressional republicans (only Trump die-hards want it) so they are unwilling to negotiate.
That is probably the right answer, but I don't think the Dems want border security at this point. Perhaps because they want more immigration to change the electorate, or perhaps because they are compelled to oppose anything Trump wants...or both.
They say he's racist for wanting to keep dark-skinned people from south of the border from coming to the United States.
They then say a wall won't work, anyway, and besides, more effective security would be more agents and technology. They favor these ideas because they say they are in favor of having strong border security.
But if we do have strong border security - something liberals/Democrats say they want - it will keep dark-skinned people from south of the border from coming to the United States.
how could they possibly say that and like dark people and Americans at the same time? If we build a wall it doesn't mean we hate dark people, it just means we like Americans more.
It's just so confusing. Which ones are the terrorists and which ones aren't the terrorists? Democrats can't tell them apart. But you know the difference. We need a wall, that will distinguish the terrorists from the non-terrorists pouring into our country. It's the biggest crisis this country faces - dark people! Well, and the Muslims and then Chinese and the non-whites from everywhere...
I can't believe we Democrats can't see the difference. We should do better. Thank God for Trump and all you Trumpenkriegers out there to keep us Americans safe from the Dark People.
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We have net zero immigration. There are no terrorists coming in. Interdiction does NOT stop the flow of drugs. And there are legal procedures in place to deal with asylum seekers.
This is a crisis manufactured to whip up the fears of his base.
.....I believe that you are being mislead by someone playing the same numbers ploy.
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Link: https://www.npr.org/sections/thetwo-way/2018/05/17/611898421/u-s-births-falls-to-30-year-low-sending-fertility-rate-to-a-record-low
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Link: http://www.worldometers.info/world-population/us-population/
Unless you know of another source of people for population increase? Perhaps foreign adoptions? Well see below.....
Link: https://apnews.com/41468655f4a348398c1fee99fe3a444e
So there is unquestionably NOT net zero immigration in absolute numbers.
I wonder if your false Dem talking point refers to growth RATE being net neutral meaning that heavy immigration rates are staying the same, or whether it is just pre bullshit made up by the Fake News MSM?
Link: https://apnews.com/41468655f4a348398c1fee99fe3a444e
At least no one except Steven Miller and the country’s hardcore racists.
I should have been more specific. Net zero - or negative - illegal immigration.
Link: https://www.politifact.com/wisconsin/statements/2017/apr/26/ron-kind/yes-experiencing-net-outflow-illegal-undocumented-/
clarifying so that we all know what we are talking about.
Illegal immigration should be at zero given that we allow so many immigrants in a year that we had a 2.3 million population increase in 1 year despite a 2% decline in our birth rate of all legal citizens including those immigrants from years past.
No other country allows anything like this. These numbers are staggering.
The number of illegal immigrants in 2017 was 11,3000,000!!! This is the number that held steady, temporarily at least,under Trump. It is still a staggering number. Thus, while you do understand what you mean, many underinformed liberals who repeat this talking point don’t, and they need to be educated.
Here is a good article outlining what you were referencing for others to see.
Link: https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/world/2017/04/25/undocumented-immigrant-population-united-states/100877164/
...and not from shit-hole countries (then listed ones in Africa and S. America). He just made it easier for Ukranians to migrate here but has stopped providing asylum to those escaping domestic violence.
The caravan folks are intentionally going to legit border crossings and asking for asylum. Something a wall does nothing about.
Trumps own racist rhetoric is why he is accused of being racist. There are already walls/fences in numerous places. A border-wide wall is a waste of money. The only thing it accomplishes is Trump can say he fulfilled a campaign promise (which he won't be doing since Mexico isn't paying).
Trump has shut down the Government. All on him.
Democrats have already passed legislation to reopen Government. McConnell sitting on bill.
What if a President shut down Government unless $5 billion for stem cell research or funding for abortion clinics? How would you vote as a Congressman?
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