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The market & WallStreet sizzle despite trade war with China - simply amazing.

Author: BaronVonZemo (60131 Posts - Joined: Nov 19, 2010)

Posted at 6:39 pm on May 16, 2019
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We make gains as Trump re-aligns the world trade order from its ridiculously unfair treatment of the US.

He is a boor, but what results!


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The DJIA was higher 16 months ago, and was higher the entire month of April.

Author: LehighND (7534 Posts - Original UHND Member)

Posted at 12:00 am on May 17, 2019
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Some of the indicators in the economy are doing well. But the market is not sizzling, and the deficit is a mess.

That is all. Carry on.


Are you kind?
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I agree that our biggest problem is the cancerous deficit

Author: Curly1918 (16492 Posts - Joined: Aug 30, 2017)

Posted at 6:29 am on May 17, 2019
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And not one single politician dares to suggest restructuring the retirement entitlements that are about to explode as boomers cash in.

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Perhaps because it can’t be paid off anyways.

Author: BaronVonZemo (60131 Posts - Joined: Nov 19, 2010)

Posted at 8:45 am on May 17, 2019
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The deficit is a long term problem, but after Obamacare passed, that number became unworkable.

We would need to eliminate every entitlement program at this point, and still tighten our belts for decades.

I don’t see any politician doing this.


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The deficit became unworkable because of Obamacare?

Author: LehighND (7534 Posts - Original UHND Member)

Posted at 4:31 pm on May 17, 2019
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Is there even a single educated economist who has made this conclusion?

Are you kind?
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What is this "de-fi-cit" of which you speak?

Author: NedoftheHill (44729 Posts - Joined: Jun 29, 2011)

Posted at 12:20 am on May 17, 2019
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Evil preaches tolerance until it is dominant, then it tries to silence good.
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No, not a boor.

Author: Cole (16200 Posts - Joined: Oct 15, 2012)

Posted at 9:49 pm on May 16, 2019
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Imagine the heights if Trump defeats Dems and fixes immigration and reigns in Obamacare prices

Author: BaronVonZemo (60131 Posts - Joined: Nov 19, 2010)

Posted at 10:04 pm on May 16, 2019
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No matter what, it will be a Repblican senate in 2021. At least 4 more years of divided government

Author: Cole (16200 Posts - Joined: Oct 15, 2012)

Posted at 10:31 pm on May 16, 2019
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means no crazy Democratic policies or judges.

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My response to you instead of the dopes below is the corporate tax cut in line with the rest of the.

Author: PBHangingChad (15790 Posts - Original UHND Member)

Posted at 7:59 pm on May 16, 2019
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world was the difference. Most of the uniformed will say it only allowed companies to buy back shares and enrich themselves. But also significant capital was repatriated. That capital infusion improved balance sheets and has helped corporations expand and weather losses associated with the tariffs. We are a command economy whereas China is an export economy. GDP per person in the US is $62k per person. In China it’s under $9,000. Our economy is humming and when China raises the red flag we will have them on an even playing field. Trump is the only President I could imagine on either side of the isle that would dare play chicken with China.

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Yes. That was huge. Trickle Down works yet again, but the Left will not accept the truth.

Author: BaronVonZemo (60131 Posts - Joined: Nov 19, 2010)

Posted at 10:01 pm on May 16, 2019
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Creating jobs is not trickle down... that’s the welfare state!

Author: Curly1918 (16492 Posts - Joined: Aug 30, 2017)

Posted at 6:34 am on May 17, 2019
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Works again? It's never worked.

Author: golfernot (2633 Posts - Original UHND Member)

Posted at 1:38 am on May 17, 2019
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How is the deficit looking these days?

Author: golfernot (2633 Posts - Original UHND Member)

Posted at 9:06 pm on May 16, 2019
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Well Obama doubled it from 10 to 20 trillion with low interest rates. Trump has had it go up 10% in

Author: THEISMANCARR (17218 Posts - Joined: Aug 10, 2007)

Posted at 9:38 pm on May 16, 2019
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a period of rising interest rates but also rising blue collar wages and of course lower unemployment with greater productivity.

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Deficits only matter when the other guys are in charge

Author: Chris94 (36791 Posts - Original UHND Member)

Posted at 9:19 pm on May 16, 2019
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Yep. Funny to see you guys worried about it now.

Author: NedoftheHill (44729 Posts - Joined: Jun 29, 2011)

Posted at 9:20 pm on May 16, 2019
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I would consider the Trump presidency to be a total success if he were able to convince Dems that deficit spending is bad, and the Constitution is a limiting document. Unfortunately, I have no confidence that this will happen. I think golfernot will be fine with deficits and a living breathing Constitution once a Dem is elected.

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Deficit only mattered when Obama was Prez. Tea Party=Joke.

Author: golfernot (2633 Posts - Original UHND Member)

Posted at 1:42 am on May 17, 2019
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Led by Bozo Jordan and Flippo Meadows.

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Deficit should always matter. It matters to me. Just not to you, Dems, GOP.

Author: NedoftheHill (44729 Posts - Joined: Jun 29, 2011)

Posted at 7:48 am on May 17, 2019
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Tea Party was defeated by mainstream GOP. It no longer exists. If you don't like the deficit, you should have supported the Tea Party. You didn't, because you don't actually care about the deficit. You just pretend to care about it now.

If there were a political party that cared about debt, it would be a voting issue for me. Not for you, though. You are just faking caring about it because you are only a partisan (party first) and you are not in power now.


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It's sizzling until it ain't.

Author: golfernot (2633 Posts - Original UHND Member)

Posted at 7:42 pm on May 16, 2019
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The couple of weeks that wipe out a year of gains.

Your guy doesn't have a clue.


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Even in the face of a trade war with China. Obviously, Trump is the man for the job.

Author: BaronVonZemo (60131 Posts - Joined: Nov 19, 2010)

Posted at 10:09 pm on May 16, 2019
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Yes, it is so obvious.

Author: golfernot (2633 Posts - Original UHND Member)

Posted at 1:43 am on May 17, 2019
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Companies have been pulling work back from China to the US in preparation for the tariffs.

Author: NedoftheHill (44729 Posts - Joined: Jun 29, 2011)

Posted at 7:04 pm on May 16, 2019
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I was a little surprised by the market reaction, especially when you realize that China is far more susceptible to tariff issues than we are, and they didn't even put as many tariffs on us. The tariff thing just needs to play out. It's been a long time coming.

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Which companies?

Author: golfernot (2633 Posts - Original UHND Member)

Posted at 1:44 am on May 17, 2019
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Trump is China’s worst nightmare. A man who knows how to deal from strength.

Author: BaronVonZemo (60131 Posts - Joined: Nov 19, 2010)

Posted at 10:11 pm on May 16, 2019
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Trump is the Planet's worst nightmare.

Author: golfernot (2633 Posts - Original UHND Member)

Posted at 1:46 am on May 17, 2019
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But we only have 11 years and 8 months left anyways, so what does it matter to you?

Author: BaronVonZemo (60131 Posts - Joined: Nov 19, 2010)

Posted at 9:18 am on May 17, 2019
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Funny. Did your kids laugh?

Author: golfernot (2633 Posts - Original UHND Member)

Posted at 7:31 pm on May 17, 2019
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Xi miscalculated, and pulled a typical move: make changes at the last minute.

Author: NedoftheHill (44729 Posts - Joined: Jun 29, 2011)

Posted at 10:37 pm on May 16, 2019
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Can you imagine if he made changes at the last minute with Obama or Kerry? They would bend over backwards trying to accommodate him, like they did Iran. Trump told him to take a hike. Xi will negotiate with more respect next time.

From the NY Times:

"BEIJING — China’s leader, Xi Jinping, seemed confident three weeks ago that a yearlong trade war with the United States could soon subside, handing him a potent political victory.

He even made a speech saying China would protect intellectual property, encourage foreign investment, and buy more goods and services from abroad — all changes the United States had been demanding as the countries tried to negotiate a deal.

But just a week after that speech, Chinese negotiators sent the Americans a substantially rewritten draft agreement, prompting President Trump to accuse Beijing of reneging on terms that had been settled.
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Having apparently made that decision, it is clear that Mr. Xi misjudged Mr. Trump’s eagerness for a deal and how far he could push the American negotiators, according to more than a dozen people, including current and former officials, researchers, lawyers, and trade experts familiar with the deal and how it fell apart.



Link: NY Times: How Xi’s Last-Minute Switch on U.S.-China Trade Deal Upended It

Evil preaches tolerance until it is dominant, then it tries to silence good.
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Yes.

Author: BaronVonZemo (60131 Posts - Joined: Nov 19, 2010)

Posted at 9:18 am on May 17, 2019
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Partisans take full credit for good times, and deflect in bad times

Author: Chris94 (36791 Posts - Original UHND Member)

Posted at 6:58 pm on May 16, 2019
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The economy is bigger than Trump. It was growing under Obama, but I’m sure you thought that was coincidental.

The president affects the economy on the margins. And before you say i am being partisan, I’ve made this (obvious) point for years. 2008 wasn’t Bush’s fault. The recovery wasn’t totally Obama.

And there is something called the business cycle that no one has yet figured out how to beat. What goes up generally comes down.


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Lol. Yeah, it’s all just cycles. Tell that to China right now.

Author: BaronVonZemo (60131 Posts - Joined: Nov 19, 2010)

Posted at 9:59 pm on May 16, 2019
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Do they predict market crashes when the other side wins an election?

Author: NedoftheHill (44729 Posts - Joined: Jun 29, 2011)

Posted at 7:03 pm on May 16, 2019
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