aid to the nation.
To the Bots, you think this is okay or acceptable?
To the D’s enough to impeach?
Link: https://www.cnbc.com/2019/09/25/trump-asked-ukraine-president-if-you-can-look-into-biden-and-his-son-in-phone-call.html
pressure on Ukraine is 100 times bigger than what revealed by this transcript.
political opponent. Biden had the backing of the UN, European nations because of Russian influences on that prosecutor, Trump had Giuliani whispering in his ear.
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Like someone once said - "gee, you've got a really nice place here, it'd be a shame if anything happened to it".
The Ukrainian dude confirmed that Trump was not extorting him.
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Do you really believe that it was a COINCIDENCE that the aid was tied up?
In other words: Do you doubt for a minute that he did what he is accused of?
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I don't know what motivates the whistleblower.
There are actual patriots in government, believe it or not.
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Link: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1989_Mao_portrait_vandalism_incident
He thinks that vandalism of a Mao portrait during the protests supports his assertion that the protestors were Maoists.
Reminder: Eli is totally insane.
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Are you related to the buffalo turd guy who has been gracing our board recently?
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Seemed like a fair question. And the transcript showed absolutely no mention of any quid pro quo whatsoever. That won't stop the Dem impeachocrats of course. If the crazys in the Dem Party do vote for impeachment in the House it will end very badly for them.
Reminder: Any discussion of "crimes" by Biden is reflective of either (1) ignorance (it is thoroughly debunked nonsense) or (2) gaslighting. Just a distraction.
Don't fall for it. This is abuse of power, pure and simple.
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And the goal was to replace a corrupt prosecutor....who was NOT investigating the company that his son was involved with.
Facts are pesky.
investigating the owner of Burisma on whose board Hunter sat. Joe then says, "well sonofabitch that prosecutor got fired."
Try again.
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Biden wanted a corrupt prosecutor out, that prosecutor was in Ukraine doing the Putin's bidding - The UN and European nations agreed he was not working for Ukrainian interests
but Russia's - since Russian invaded Ukraine they are a hostile nation therefore Biden was instructed not to give aid to a corrupt regime.
Knee jerk reaction outrage - Oh My God, Biden held money from Ukraine and his son works for a company in Ukraine. Biden is corrupt.
companies like the one his kid was with. No one is claiming he was zealously going after anyone, let alone Biden’s kid. It was completely the opposite.
He didn’t do it to get dirt on a political opponent.
You know that, but you need to spout the mindless bot pablum.
investigating his son's company, where he was making $50,000 a month despite being a Navy dropout and drug addict, was fired. You have found a reason to excuse that conduct and support Biden's run for President. You be you, Frankie the Philly Fan. You be you.
an investigation of that company. That prosecutor wasn’t zealously pursuing any investigations including Biden’s kid’s company. He was fired because he was a corrupt asshole on the take. Point to any credible evidence that shows he was fired for investigating that company.
quo? Change the name of the prez to Obama, would you be defending this conduct? And if the evidence shows it was unfrozen only after the complaint was made its even worse.
Of course, this can be "inferred" from the surrounding circumstances, which means that it is subjective by the trier of fact. In this case, all those who hate Trump or simply want him replaced by a Democrat will find the requisite intent without regard to the application of any "burden of proof." I'm sure the Dems will make their decision based on their polling.
Trump stopped the aid to Ukraine before the call - then asked for dirt on Biden Extortion - Bribery is more like a quiet agreement.
Lets play you a Republicans view of why someone should be ousted from the oval office - and note, this was just for a BJ and lying about it.
The outcome would be a trial in the Senate; even if he is removed, we would be looking at PResident Pence.
And "high crimes and misdemeanors" are defined as this: Whatever the Congress says they are.
For me, it's not this alone. It is the long string of horror from this manifestly unfit asshole.
And call me crazy, but I take umbrage at his tying foreign policy to his re-election. Explain to me how tying aid to an investigation of Biden, even if you don't think it is total BS (which it is), serves the national interest. Which is his goddam job.
The circumstantial evidence though with the recording makes a prime facie case at the very least.
My question though goes beyond that. Do you think this is acceptable conduct by a US prez? None of the bots will answer that question and would be screaming for Impeachment if the prez’s name was Obama.
Still need the full complaint by WB to go to Congress.
My bet is the military aid funds to Ukraine were released just when Trump learned about the WB complaint.
Link: https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2019/09/25/us/politics/trump-ukraine-transcript.html?module=inline
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And I can't wait to see how Hannity et al. gaslight Rube Nation about this. It's not really bad; that's just how Trump is; all Presidents do this; the media is twisting it because of their TDS; everyone is still fighting the 2016 election because they can't get over losing; and obviously the Dems are worse. Or something.
It's easier than distracting my dog.
You want to impeach on circumstantial crap.
Why doesn't your team stop this shit and do the business that Americans want, like new NAFTA, immigration, infrastructure?
This is an acceptable position: OK, this is bad, but I don't think it's enough to impeach. Reasonable people can disagree about that.
Anything else - any other defense - is unacceptable and unpatriotic. Full stop.
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She jumped the gun as usual. She also should have waited for the report and transcript.
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Please just stop showing how stupid you really are. You're hatred clouds whatever common sense exists in your little brain
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do you really think this is okay or acceptable behavior? Leave out the impeachment as I’m not there with that right now.
I do find it sad that the Dems did exactly what they accuse Trump of doing. Sure, we could have a system in which we go after all offenders equally, but we don't have that kind of system anymore. That is the truly sad part. And yet, what can I do? Honestly, I can only laugh or cry, and I choose to laugh.
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the last hour. Hysterical. Only you could spin the transcript against Trump.
Link: https://www.predictit.org/markets/detail/3537/Will-Donald-Trump-be-impeached-in-his-first-term
I know reading, like judgment isn’t one of yer strong suits, but do better.
You think he acted appropriately? That’s my original question. Would you defend this if the prez was named Obama? Shill.
show me you commensurate approbation?
But to answer your question, no that isn’t appropriate.
The real problem is the implicit quid pro quo. So answer my original question, did Orange act appropriately here? Straight, easy question which includes the aid freeze and the phone call a few days later.
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They also weren’t a majority in either house. In other words they had no leverage like yer mob boss-pal had to financially impact the country he was pressuring to investigate.
God, you are dumb. Go bless by the way.
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materially different situation.
You overlook obvious. Should Joe Bleeding Eye be investigated for his shakedown he brags about on tape? Should both he and his crackhead son be investigated for the 2 sweetheart deals from Ukraine and China? According to you nothing to see here. Ignore the man behind the curtain. And God Bless
It. Orange’s handpicked stooge controls that, so why aren’t they investigating if there is a legitimate basis to do so? Likely because it has already been investigated.
Now answer mine dim. Do you think what Orange did was appropriate in freezing aid and then telling them to investigate Biden and son?
You realize there is nothing there. If anything more will come out on Creepy Joe and the literal crackhead son. Question for you. Why have Clapper, Comey, and Brennan been so quiet lately? Seems to me the Prez was being a good steward with our money. Go Bless
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“I remember going over and convincing our team, others, to convince that we should be providing for loan guarantees. And I went over, I guess, the 12th, 13th time to Kiev. And I was supposed to announce that there was another billion-dollar loan guarantee. And I had gotten a commitment from [former president Petro] Poroshenko and from [former Prime Minister Arseniy] Yatsenyuk that they would take action against the state prosecutor. And they didn’t.
“So they said they had — they were walking out to a press conference. I said, nah, I’m not going to—or, we’re not going to give you the billion dollars. They said, you have no authority. You’re not the president. The president said—I said, call him. (Laughter.) I said, I’m telling you, you’re not getting the billion dollars. I said, you’re not getting the billion. I’m going to be leaving here in, I think it was about six hours. I looked at them and said: I’m leaving in six hours. If the prosecutor is not fired, you’re not getting the money. Well, son of a b—. (Laughter.) He got fired. And they put in place someone who was solid at the time.”
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How is your dried up old See u next Tuesday of a mother? She deserves to be bitched slapped for giving birth to you
and Fox News.
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Are you in your circle jerk again? Seems like it. BTW did you two go to BU with AOC? It seems you three have about the same amount of common sense. Bless your little hearts
zero to say of substance. I hope you’re not as sad a person in real life as you appear to be here. God Bless.
All day every day you spew the same old tired TDS bullshit. Are you a lawyer? Your arguments are weak at best. You’re a continuous loop of the Maddow or Hayes conspiracy shows. I feel sorry for you and your other idiot circle jerk friends jimbecile and Conor. You must live a sad life. Hell you even stole one of my lines. If you want to talk policy let’s talk about S386. What’s your stance on that? Do you believe in open borders? 2A ? Big tech censoring conservatives. Is that ok with you? You are a sad TDS sufferer. I hope some day you have an original thought. Until then, I’ll be here to comment on your stupidity. Oh God bless
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I offer valid topics to discuss and you come up with your usual stupid juvenile response. Do you even know what s.386 is?
i picture you as as sad retired old man with nothing to do all day. I stay off this web site until FB season starts . Occasionally i'll check ND recruiting or see what is happening if the team. Every time i check the open board it's you and your triumvirate of stupidity posting the same old tired TDS talking points. You really live a sad life. You never answer my question if you are a lawyer. Why are you afraid to do so?
I do feel sad for you that 24/7 365 all you can do is be a keyboard tough guy who thinks he's witty. Well you're not. Feel free to do the world a favor and stick your heasd in the ovenr and turn on the gas. You won't be missed. God Bless
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I seriously think you need help. Once again you dodge my questions God Bless
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But whatever makes you happy. Keep living your TDS sad life. Put I implore you to get help. Maybe a therapy dog will help. God Bless
Removing him will be a very tall order, of course. The House is the grand jury; the Senate is the jury.
13 Senate Republicans would have to say that enough's enough. Seems quite unlikely.
It would be one thing if he was telling the guy he should be looking into this kind of thing. It’s another to directly mention Biden a few days after freezing aid. That’s mob like shit. And if conor is right that it was unfrozen only after the complaint, the problem is even bigger.
Agree we need to see the complaint and hear from the whistleblower.
Again, make it about 2020, not 2016.
And I am happy for GOP Senators to vote that such conduct is appropriate. Let the voters know who you really are.
You know the degree I despise Orange.
But to paraphrase a leading D, Impeachment is “a big fucking deal” from an institutional standpoint. Just not there yet.
I'm surprised we saw this much of the one phone call to Ukraine.
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...when he heard there were more allegations. He was amazed and said, "Another kid? Are you kidding me? ANOTHER kid?"
The notion that Trump would seek foreign help - AGAIN - for his campaign is yet another sign that he is profoundly unfit to govern. He learned nothing from 2016. By itself, maybe not enough....but it is just the icing on a long, corrupt, embarrassing, unfit cake.
Impeach the fat fuck.