Do you think the summary of the call transcripts and the whistleblower complaint are fake or made up somehow; or do you not think using the power of the presidency to try to get dirt on a political opponent is not a big deal?
And for the record - fuck Biden for all I care. Just focus on Trumps actions and words.
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most people don’t, including many people on right side unfortunately. If you don’t, I understand why you are uncomfortable when you learned this Biden thing by reading the transcription only. That’s what D, with help of MSM, are trying to do, i.e., taking advantage of your ignorance by creating a drama from this phone call.
The whole picture is
Ukraine, on March 2019, declared re-opening of the original investigation which was closed due to Biden pressure. This is before Biden announced his presidential candidacy which was on April 25, 2019. This is very important information to understand this phone call thing. You may have noticed it is Ukraine president who mentioned the investigation at first. What Trump mainly said is about Ukraine’s involvement in U.S. election 2016.
On U.S. side, demanding to investigate Hunter Biden’s company is not new and not secret, it’s spearheaded by Rudy Giuliani. There’re some reports from NYT on these things.
The D tried to create a drama from 7/25 call to give you, the person without knowing the background mentioned above, such an impression: Trump improperly began to ask Ukraine to start investigating on Biden (to be accurate, investigating Biden’s son). No, it’s much earlier than 7/25 that Trump want Ukraine to do that and Giuliani’s activities & talks about it were very open and there were reports about it. The transcript itself contains no pressure from Trump. So, if you want to impeach Trump for asking Ukraine to investigate Biden’s, you should start your impeach inquiry earlier than 7/25, as early as back to March 2019. But your impeachment has nothing to do with the call. As the call transcript shows, Trump mainly talked about Ukraine’s involvement in U.S. election 2016. His mentioning of Biden’s son is very short follow-up of Ukraine president's talking points, no pressure at all. His mentioning of Biden is about Biden’s bully and bragging manner.
I don’t agree with your characterization on investigating Biden’s as “get dirt on a political opponent”. Golden shower is dirt, Pee on Moscow hotel balcony is dirt, creepy hugging women is dirt. The dirt is something that embarrasses your opponents. Hunter Biden’s Ukraine thing is viewed as corruption thing, not dirt. Yes, President has power to ask about it after Ukraine intend to re-open the case on March 2019, which involves some Americans, not just Hunter Biden only. You can say it’s politically motivated. I agree. So is Mueller’s investigation.
Because newly elected President Zelensky (voted in by the anti corruption/anti Putin movement in Ukraine) needed some reminding?
And to refresh Zelensky's memory, best to freeze nearly $400 million in US military aid? Only to release that aid 2 days after Inspector General's Whistleblower letter is sent to Congress?
And by the way, to ask for a favor, .... that coincidentally involved looking into VP Biden?
And to bring up CrowdStrike -- the myth fed by ... wait for it ... Putin, that it was Ukraine (not Russia) who hacked the DNC in 2016?
Keep living in Dreamland, Eli.
What's missing is, the office of the president using that authority to solicit & pressure someone or some country to either manufacture information, or just find information
against a rival here in the US.
It's odd Russia seems to be behind all these instances of impropriety in a Trump candidacy and as POTUS.
You R's keep harping on Joe Biden and Son and their dealings with Ukrainian life - Joe for gov't as VP and his son for seemingly being overpaid by a fuel
company. And all this does is, distract you f rom the real issue. Donnie D. used the power of his office to solicit information against a rival in US.
Why is this so difficult for you guys.
The Dems have moved so extremely left on almost every issue that yesterday's moderates seems like arch-conservatives by comparison. In fact, President Obama could never win the nomination today based on the positions he took 10 year ago. This shift more than anything else explains why people will hold their noses and stick with Trump. They really do fear the consequences of a Democratic regime.
Evident from the lack of reasonable responses there is nothing but cover and deflection for Trumpo. Do you remember Flip Wilson - the devil made me do it. The collective your seems to be the left or libs made us cheat, break the law , etc and it is all ok.
Have a good Sunday
I also feel that it is possible to indict almost anyone alive...if you really want to get them.
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Not a 'rightie' but also this was not the first call. Wasn't there a call in April? Also you hear the Ukraine president say "we are almost ready to cooperate in the next steps.." Why would he say 'cooperate'?
Unless, say, the attorney general asked him to press an issue with a foreign leader. Can imagine scenarios where that could happen (talking with the Swiss about tax dodgers, etc). I don't think this was a case like that.
Also wrong to involve Rudy, IMO. A private citizen has no place in this kind of situation.
That said, the transcript was not enough to get rid of him. He never mentions the aid, and he actually spent a long time talking about how useless the Europeans were with helping Ukraine...something that corroborates the excuse for withholding aid.
Trump's a slimy asshole...everyone knows that. However, impeachment is probably a waste of time and politically dangerous for both sides. Find someone who can beat him at the ballot box.
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Snowden is the only whistle blower I trust
Are not accurate or made up or something. Not disputing your opinion but you don’t think Trump would ask for dirt on an opponent? And that he could/ would use that info to his benefit?
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We are in a state of war, No one is impacted by climate change but everyone is impacted by stupid thugs and foreigners working in hospitals
What the hell are you talking about.
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They hate Trump because he is trying to salvage the country
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You are already in a very deep hole
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They only accept 4 out of 360 applicants
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Here is not the place.
Scooter was being kind.
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All other types of medical facilities are total garbage. Nothing but trashy, liberal thugs
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I am dubious about the credibility of the non- witness " whistle blower". The CIA has been implicated in the 9/11 criminal conspiracy, the Kennedy assassination, Lockerbie crash, etc