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With the new records being set today on US markets, looks like Moody's will be right, Trump will win

Author: PBHangingChad (15790 Posts - Original UHND Member)

Posted at 11:46 am on Oct 25, 2019
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I know all the Trump haters will discount the Moody's Presidential models but in all three Trump wins. Sorry TDS sufferers. New record on S&P 500, blew through 27,000 again on the Dow and a China deal on the way. Good luck winning at the ballot box!

Link: https://www.cnbc.com/2019/10/15/moodys-trump-on-his-way-to-an-easy-2020-win-if-economy-holds-up.html

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Not a fan on model prediction, but the median household income increase under Trump is $5,000, under

Author: Eli (9555 Posts - Original UHND Member)

Posted at 3:13 pm on Oct 25, 2019
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Obama (8 years) is $975, under Bush (8 years) is $800. The number is before inflation adjusted though, but it doesn't include $2,000 tax cut. After adjusting the inflation, i.e. the real median household incomes of the past 4 presidents are , let's pick peak year's number during their presidency:

$61,526, 1999 (Clinton)
$60,985, 2007 (Bush)
$61,779, 2016 (Obama)
$63,179, 2018 (Trump)


So, from Clinton to Bush, the median household income dropped by $541. From Bush to Obama, it increased by $794. From Obama to Trump, it increased by $1,400 so far., and we all know the number of 2019 will be even better than 2018.


Link: https://fred.stlouisfed.org/series/MEHOINUSA672N

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Any one of a gazzilion possible black swans might occur in the next 12 months

Author: Curly1918 (16492 Posts - Joined: Aug 30, 2017)

Posted at 1:15 pm on Oct 25, 2019
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It does help a lot that we are energy independent.

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Trump is a Black Swan.

Author: NDavenue (7489 Posts - Original UHND Member)

Posted at 1:58 pm on Oct 25, 2019
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He may be immune to their bite.

I don't believe illusions because too much is for real.
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There can not be a mention of Black Swan...without honoring Portman Kunis United.

Author: TakethetrainKnute (33502 Posts - Original UHND Member)

Posted at 5:27 pm on Oct 25, 2019
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Portman Kunis United, football? No I’d rather watch them together in bed in the Black Swan

Author: PBHangingChad (15790 Posts - Original UHND Member)

Posted at 6:01 pm on Oct 25, 2019
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Um, yeah. Hence the scissoring reference...

Author: TakethetrainKnute (33502 Posts - Original UHND Member)

Posted at 6:10 pm on Oct 25, 2019
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I see now a little slow on the uptake today.

Author: PBHangingChad (15790 Posts - Original UHND Member)

Posted at 6:20 pm on Oct 25, 2019
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More like an ugly ducking who never grew up

Author: Curly1918 (16492 Posts - Joined: Aug 30, 2017)

Posted at 2:56 pm on Oct 25, 2019
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Even right wing war monster John Bolton drew the line at treason, while Barr wants to indict Don's

Author: ND521 (9437 Posts - Joined: May 10, 2016)

Posted at 12:28 pm on Oct 25, 2019
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accusers while shielding himself.

God may not care who wins, but His mother does
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What evidence do you have of this? Fake news.

Author: BaronVonZemo (60131 Posts - Joined: Nov 19, 2010)

Posted at 4:33 pm on Oct 25, 2019
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The couple at the kitchen table in middle America with more money don’t give a rats ass

Author: PBHangingChad (15790 Posts - Original UHND Member)

Posted at 12:44 pm on Oct 25, 2019
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Another JV post. Americans will recognize treason when they televise the hearings.

Author: ND521 (9437 Posts - Joined: May 10, 2016)

Posted at 2:48 pm on Oct 25, 2019
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God may not care who wins, but His mother does
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Can't wait!

Author: NedoftheHill (44730 Posts - Joined: Jun 29, 2011)

Posted at 3:21 pm on Oct 25, 2019
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Evil preaches tolerance until it is dominant, then it tries to silence good.
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You're way past deflection Ned, and headlong into denial.

Author: ND521 (9437 Posts - Joined: May 10, 2016)

Posted at 8:25 pm on Oct 25, 2019
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God may not care who wins, but His mother does
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What denial is there in hoping Dems finally remove veil of secrecy & start broadcasting hearings?

Author: NedoftheHill (44730 Posts - Joined: Jun 29, 2011)

Posted at 4:28 pm on Oct 26, 2019
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I'm willing to expose all on both sides, and let the chips fall where they may. Are you?

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Evil preaches tolerance until it is dominant, then it tries to silence good.
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521's world is starting to make no sense.

Author: BaronVonZemo (60131 Posts - Joined: Nov 19, 2010)

Posted at 5:39 pm on Oct 25, 2019
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Can't wait to hear how Bolton is a Democrat plant or whatever other nonsense is spun.

Author: ND521 (9437 Posts - Joined: May 10, 2016)

Posted at 8:28 pm on Oct 25, 2019
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God may not care who wins, but His mother does
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Yet, you have no evidence that Bolton will do what you fantasize about, do you Bucky?

Author: BaronVonZemo (60131 Posts - Joined: Nov 19, 2010)

Posted at 11:24 pm on Oct 25, 2019
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Then why do 55% want to impeach and remove?

Author: Frank L (64768 Posts - Joined: Sep 20, 2007)

Posted at 2:03 pm on Oct 25, 2019
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Biden will smoke him if he gets nominated.

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You don’t seriously buy those polls do you?

Author: NDavenue (7489 Posts - Original UHND Member)

Posted at 2:39 pm on Oct 25, 2019
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Nobody in Ohio is talking about impeachment.

I don't believe illusions because too much is for real.
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Guarantee you they are especially when asked the question.

Author: Frank L (64768 Posts - Joined: Sep 20, 2007)

Posted at 3:40 pm on Oct 25, 2019
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More likely they hang up if they are against impeachment.

Author: NedoftheHill (44730 Posts - Joined: Jun 29, 2011)

Posted at 4:02 pm on Oct 25, 2019
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Evil preaches tolerance until it is dominant, then it tries to silence good.
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Oh I think they voice that opinion.

Author: Frank L (64768 Posts - Joined: Sep 20, 2007)

Posted at 4:55 pm on Oct 25, 2019
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I doubt it. They would risk being identified and targeted.

Author: NedoftheHill (44730 Posts - Joined: Jun 29, 2011)

Posted at 6:36 pm on Oct 25, 2019
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You underestimate the chilling of free speech which the Left has achieved. Are there die-hard rally attendees who will speak regardless?...sure. But most Trump voters are silent.

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Evil preaches tolerance until it is dominant, then it tries to silence good.
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Oh please, such a drama queen. There are tens of thousands of them at his rallies.

Author: Frank L (64768 Posts - Joined: Sep 20, 2007)

Posted at 9:48 pm on Oct 25, 2019
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Where I live he is quite popular.

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It's not the diehards who are hard to count. It's the majority like me, who don't attend rallies.

Author: NedoftheHill (44730 Posts - Joined: Jun 29, 2011)

Posted at 4:23 pm on Oct 26, 2019
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The people like me who see no personal advantage, and only disadvantage, to answering poll questions over the phone.

Then again, I also turn off my phone location services most of the time. I value privacy more than most.


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Evil preaches tolerance until it is dominant, then it tries to silence good.
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There are the same amount of non fans who don’t answer either.

Author: Frank L (64768 Posts - Joined: Sep 20, 2007)

Posted at 4:46 pm on Oct 26, 2019
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Point is impeachment is no longer just a fringe idea that doesn’t have popular support. I still oppose it though.

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Disagree. Regardless, no legitimate basis to impeach, so doing so would only help Trump.

Author: NedoftheHill (44730 Posts - Joined: Jun 29, 2011)

Posted at 5:41 pm on Oct 26, 2019
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Evil preaches tolerance until it is dominant, then it tries to silence good.
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Under your rules, plenty of legit basis. Also, support has been growing for it.

Author: Frank L (64768 Posts - Joined: Sep 20, 2007)

Posted at 8:33 pm on Oct 27, 2019
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That’s why their sampling’s are BS

Author: PBHangingChad (15790 Posts - Original UHND Member)

Posted at 4:03 pm on Oct 25, 2019
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I would think 2016 should have taught you about polling. Ask President Hillary

Author: PBHangingChad (15790 Posts - Original UHND Member)

Posted at 2:34 pm on Oct 25, 2019
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The national polling in 2016 was very close to the actual results.

Author: Frank L (64768 Posts - Joined: Sep 20, 2007)

Posted at 3:41 pm on Oct 25, 2019
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Yer act and his is wearing thin fast.

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I’m actually a good actor. But at 5pm on Election Day what percent did The Times have?

Author: PBHangingChad (15790 Posts - Original UHND Member)

Posted at 4:00 pm on Oct 25, 2019
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It was above 80% that Hillary would win. It started collapsing to 50% by 9:30.

There was not one poll predicting Trump would win Michigan, Wisconsin, Pennsylvania. There were numerous polls that had him behind in Florida, N Carolina, even Iowa. Many predicted Hillary would win better than 340 electoral votes

So spin your truth somewhere else Frankie.

Oh by the way, what was the demographic run down of your 55% and do those people vote? I could probably get you 55% approval that you will win the next Nobel Peace Prize with the right sampling.


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Reading is fundamental. Yes, the state polling was off. The NATIONAL polling was not.

Author: Frank L (64768 Posts - Joined: Sep 20, 2007)

Posted at 4:56 pm on Oct 25, 2019
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These are also national polls.

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Why bother to poll nationally, it’s states that elect the President

Author: PBHangingChad (15790 Posts - Original UHND Member)

Posted at 5:15 pm on Oct 25, 2019
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All major issues are polled nationally.

Author: Frank L (64768 Posts - Joined: Sep 20, 2007)

Posted at 9:43 pm on Oct 25, 2019
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Truth

Author: NDavenue (7489 Posts - Original UHND Member)

Posted at 1:48 pm on Oct 25, 2019
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I don't believe illusions because too much is for real.
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Too bad Trump Year 1 can't repeat itself.

Author: Rooney (5917 Posts - Original UHND Member)

Posted at 12:17 pm on Oct 25, 2019
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1st 12 months of Trump's Presidency (Jan 17 to Jan 18): DOW up 32% = Great

in the 22 months since (Jan 18 to Oct 19): DOW up 3.0% = Not Great


"I didn't come here to take part. I came here to take over."
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As Sun Tzu in The Art of War attack when you are strongest. The trade war with China if won will

Author: PBHangingChad (15790 Posts - Original UHND Member)

Posted at 12:22 pm on Oct 25, 2019
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be Trump’s legacy along with the Supreme’s

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If you would have only timed the roller coaster you would have been golden.

Author: IrishMac (1684 Posts - Original UHND Member)

Posted at 12:20 pm on Oct 25, 2019
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No kidding.

Author: Rooney (5917 Posts - Original UHND Member)

Posted at 12:24 pm on Oct 25, 2019
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No question there have been some decent ups and downs the last 22 months.

"I didn't come here to take part. I came here to take over."
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How are all those indictments your buddy promised us coming?

Author: Chris94 (36791 Posts - Original UHND Member)

Posted at 11:59 am on Oct 25, 2019
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Hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha! Oh, oh, oh bwahahahahahahahahaha!!!!!!!!!

Author: BaronVonZemo (60131 Posts - Joined: Nov 19, 2010)

Posted at 9:45 am on Oct 26, 2019
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Oh man, you are the ultimate liberal. Not even a smidgen of embarrassment on your part when you dare to utter those words. Not a smidgen.

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That's the third poster saying that kind of thing. I don't get it.

Author: LehighND (7534 Posts - Original UHND Member)

Posted at 11:52 am on Oct 26, 2019
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Were there indictments?

I think there will be some, but not of anyone significant. Of all the people involved in the investigation, someone somewhere likely cut corners. But, as I understand it, there won't be anything that contradicts the findings in the Mueller report. I am not aware of evidence relied upon by Mueller that is in question.


Are you kind?
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I'll let Baron respond, but I remember anti-Trumpers predicting indictments that never came

Author: NedoftheHill (44730 Posts - Joined: Jun 29, 2011)

Posted at 12:55 pm on Oct 27, 2019
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Bombshell this. Bombshell that. sealed indictments everywhere. Sure, some indictments came, but not for what they were predicting (collusion/conspiracy). And the indictments that did come seemed to just be official coercion, since they seemed a bit selective (dependent on party affiliation).

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Evil preaches tolerance until it is dominant, then it tries to silence good.
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And I don’t remember promising indictments

Author: Chris94 (36791 Posts - Original UHND Member)

Posted at 4:11 pm on Oct 26, 2019
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No self awareness.

Author: Cole (16200 Posts - Joined: Oct 15, 2012)

Posted at 12:30 pm on Oct 25, 2019
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Just a tad ironic.

Author: iairishcheeks (27330 Posts - Original UHND Member)

Posted at 12:27 pm on Oct 25, 2019
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Like rain on your wedding day

Author: Chris94 (36791 Posts - Original UHND Member)

Posted at 12:51 pm on Oct 25, 2019
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It's a free ride...when you've already paid...

Author: TakethetrainKnute (33502 Posts - Original UHND Member)

Posted at 2:32 pm on Oct 25, 2019
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Tad Ironic is my Ron Mexico.

Author: Rooney (5917 Posts - Original UHND Member)

Posted at 12:33 pm on Oct 25, 2019
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"I didn't come here to take part. I came here to take over."
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Excellent, but still that is no “Pierre Delecto”.

Author: BaronVonZemo (60131 Posts - Joined: Nov 19, 2010)

Posted at 9:47 am on Oct 26, 2019
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Any day now. With a NY Times piece defending Clapper and Brennan today its just a matter of time

Author: PBHangingChad (15790 Posts - Original UHND Member)

Posted at 12:02 pm on Oct 25, 2019
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Right, because that is totally how indictments work.

Author: Chris94 (36791 Posts - Original UHND Member)

Posted at 12:19 pm on Oct 25, 2019
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If we learned anything about the MSM they protect their own

Author: PBHangingChad (15790 Posts - Original UHND Member)

Posted at 12:46 pm on Oct 25, 2019
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trump wins because there is no one else : ( >

Author: rhollis (413 Posts - Joined: Oct 24, 2014)

Posted at 11:53 am on Oct 25, 2019
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i'd run but i ain' got the $$$

O~


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