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The rats are getting nervous

Author: Nigel Tufnel (8035 Posts - Original UHND Member)

Posted at 2:59 pm on Dec 15, 2019
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“The FBI acted appropriately when they got the FISA warrant on Carter Page. They’re not part of some ‘Deep State.’”
Adam Schiff, 2/25/18

“I’m willing to admit the FBI made mistakes.”
Adam Schiff, 12/15/2019


'I define fear as standing across from Joe Louis and knowing he wants to go home early.' - Max Baer

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The change in the Dems rhetoric this weekend is dramatic. The IG info was too damning to gloss over

Author: BaronVonZemo (59933 Posts - Joined: Nov 19, 2010)

Posted at 9:22 pm on Dec 15, 2019
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regardless,of how much lipstick Horowitz tried to put on it.

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And those contradict how? They aren’t part of a deep state and the warrant has never been found to

Author: Frank L (64681 Posts - Joined: Sep 20, 2007)

Posted at 8:24 pm on Dec 15, 2019
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lack P.C. it was also found not to have been applied for based on political bias. There were obvious mistakes made and at least one attorney lied in a renewal app.

He is willing to acknowledge the mistakes and issues that did exist. Unlike the bots who march in lock step that Orange acted perfectly in everything at all times.


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Author: NedoftheHill (44675 Posts - Joined: Jun 29, 2011)

Posted at 1:44 am on Dec 16, 2019
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Evil preaches tolerance until it is dominant, then it tries to silence good.
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Very few said he was perfect but we do know that someone changed a report and lied and a

Author: THEISMANCARR (17203 Posts - Joined: Aug 10, 2007)

Posted at 12:54 am on Dec 16, 2019
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total of 17 mistakes at least were objectively made. So now audits are going to be necessary.

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No and yes. No bot has criticized his conduct re Ukraine. Yes an audit will be needed.

Author: Frank L (64681 Posts - Joined: Sep 20, 2007)

Posted at 9:57 am on Dec 16, 2019
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Frank like Tom Hagen is not a war time Consigliere,butt boy for Obama and HRC

Author: eftg1 (12936 Posts - Joined: Sep 19, 2012)

Posted at 9:05 pm on Dec 15, 2019
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Comey did a poor job fabricating evidence and lying to the court

Author: eftg1 (12936 Posts - Joined: Sep 19, 2012)

Posted at 5:31 pm on Dec 15, 2019
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I notice people on one side of this process are willing to admit mistakes

Author: Chris94 (36755 Posts - Original UHND Member)

Posted at 4:00 pm on Dec 15, 2019
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The other side? Not so much.

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BS, those weren't mistakes, those were calculated

Author: Hank the Tank (9413 Posts - Original UHND Member)

Posted at 12:59 pm on Dec 16, 2019
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Caluculate or not, the FISA warrants just a distraction for you.

Author: jimbasil (52634 Posts - Joined: Nov 15, 2007)

Posted at 2:01 pm on Dec 16, 2019
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Jack, he is a banker
and Jane, she is a clerk
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Ah yes, the 'mistakes' defense

Author: Nigel Tufnel (8035 Posts - Original UHND Member)

Posted at 9:18 am on Dec 16, 2019
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Just innocent 'mistakes'. Whoops, sorry!

Schiff says he is unaware of errors and omissions in FBI use of FISA process. My mistake! The Nunes memo, which Schiff strongly disputed, called attention to these very 'mistakes' and has been proven correct. Most media echoed the now discredited Schiff rebuttal and scoffed at Nunes.

Spilling your coffee is a mistake. Intentionally deceiving is a lie and leads to criminal charges.

Cannot wait for all the perp walks.


'I define fear as standing across from Joe Louis and knowing he wants to go home early.' - Max Baer
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Ah yes, much less believable than the massive FBI conspiracy claims.

Author: Frank L (64681 Posts - Joined: Sep 20, 2007)

Posted at 12:15 pm on Dec 16, 2019
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When was the first FISA warrant applied for?

Author: jimbasil (52634 Posts - Joined: Nov 15, 2007)

Posted at 9:33 am on Dec 16, 2019
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Jack, he is a banker
and Jane, she is a clerk
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A coup attempt is now a process? Idiotic MSM drone

Author: eftg1 (12936 Posts - Joined: Sep 19, 2012)

Posted at 12:55 am on Dec 16, 2019
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Did you know that the 17 “mistakes” included categories of mistakes rather than 17 individual ones?

Author: BaronVonZemo (59933 Posts - Joined: Nov 19, 2010)

Posted at 7:19 pm on Dec 15, 2019
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For instance, under the IG category of FISA application inaccuracies, there were actually 51 episodes of omission of critical fact, omission of exculpatory information, inclusion of false information and partial information.

Also, each of those 51 instances also worked against Donald Trump. Every single one.

There were no mistakes. It was all intentional.


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Not going to persuade the Obama,HRC dupes,they are miserable

Author: eftg1 (12936 Posts - Joined: Sep 19, 2012)

Posted at 9:07 pm on Dec 15, 2019
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This is what inevitably happens without oversight

Author: Chris94 (36755 Posts - Original UHND Member)

Posted at 7:40 pm on Dec 15, 2019
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If there is no oversight - like the current FISA system - sloppiness proliferates.

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Sloppiness would be random, not all in one direction. These were crimes with overseers blessing

Author: BaronVonZemo (59933 Posts - Joined: Nov 19, 2010)

Posted at 9:13 pm on Dec 15, 2019
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Have you considered also how reluctant the IC was to give over its information to congress? Also how those overseers lied to Congress? How they denied for years that they did nothing wrong? And again, how unidirectional the mistakes were? Every mistake worked in favor of spying and continued spying on Trump et al..

Mathematically speaking, the odds that this was random sloppiness is so astronomically low that it isn’t really possible.

No. I reject your use of the term sloppiness. These were hand picked elite agents that you argued for years are consummate professionals. Now, you want to tell me that they are unbiased and simply way, way, way below even average competence levels!?

No, Chris, these are criminals who were knowingly, and professionally carrying out a coup attempt.


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Perfect answer. 17 mistakes in one direction. What though the odds be great or small the dems cheat.

Author: THEISMANCARR (17203 Posts - Joined: Aug 10, 2007)

Posted at 12:56 am on Dec 16, 2019
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The IG disagreed

Author: Chris94 (36755 Posts - Original UHND Member)

Posted at 9:57 pm on Dec 15, 2019
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It shouldn’t surprise people that, during the investigation of a case, mistakes were made that supported the investigation. Indeed they probably wouldn’t be picked up by the IG radar otherwise.

It was not a coup, these were not criminals - and remember, Trump WAS getting help from the Russians. So there’s that.


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it is mathematically impossible that these are simply mistakes. I believe the math.

Author: BaronVonZemo (59933 Posts - Joined: Nov 19, 2010)

Posted at 10:23 pm on Dec 15, 2019
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It’s easy to believe the math you make up.

Author: Chris94 (36755 Posts - Original UHND Member)

Posted at 11:12 pm on Dec 15, 2019
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Respectfully, they are like the fake news msm “mistakes” - all negative to Trump. Not possible.

Author: BaronVonZemo (59933 Posts - Joined: Nov 19, 2010)

Posted at 5:37 am on Dec 16, 2019
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The IG made absurd conclusions contradicted by his own report. I believe the math.

Author: BaronVonZemo (59933 Posts - Joined: Nov 19, 2010)

Posted at 10:15 pm on Dec 15, 2019
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Horowitz is trying to survive by appeasing both sides. He know there is evidence of horrible acts in his own report. He also know s that all he could do was ask the targets of investigation and accept their answers. The targets knew it too.
Further, we should drop this facade that the IG report was anything like an investigation that the general public thinks of when they hear the term. We both know that in his investigation, the accused agents get a chance to see the charges and evidence and to negotiate the findings of the final report.
Horowitz also could not convene a grand jury to indict. He had no teeth to use to carry out an actual investigations anyways.
Finally, Horo used subtle legal distinctions to mislead the public (“no testimonial evidence” instead of - “no one admitted it in the absence of any threat”). He knew what he was doing, and it confirms to me that he wants to protect his colleagues with whom he served during the time in question.

Either way, The IC is not trustworthy (my view), or not capable due to incompetence (your view) to investigate itself.

Durham will have the power to find the real answers. His statements were an clear condemnation of the Horowitz conclusions.

I await Durham’s report. Math doesn’t lie.


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Communist mindset...there is no side..Comey, Brennan weaponized by Obama against citizens

Author: eftg1 (12936 Posts - Joined: Sep 19, 2012)

Posted at 5:21 pm on Dec 15, 2019
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Don't be so hard on Jimbasil. He can't help it.

Author: NedoftheHill (44675 Posts - Joined: Jun 29, 2011)

Posted at 4:50 pm on Dec 15, 2019
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Evil preaches tolerance until it is dominant, then it tries to silence good.
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And your point is ...?

Author: jimbasil (52634 Posts - Joined: Nov 15, 2007)

Posted at 3:20 pm on Dec 15, 2019
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Also, would you mind telling us what you believe to be the process of a FISA Warrant.

Jack, he is a banker
and Jane, she is a clerk
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Frank is a Democrat and the hospital ship.

Author: Cole (16188 Posts - Joined: Oct 15, 2012)

Posted at 9:51 pm on Dec 15, 2019
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....beyond your comprehension.

Author: BaronVonZemo (59933 Posts - Joined: Nov 19, 2010)

Posted at 9:31 pm on Dec 15, 2019
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Tick Tock...

Author: eftg1 (12936 Posts - Joined: Sep 19, 2012)

Posted at 3:16 pm on Dec 15, 2019
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