The Kentucky Attorney General presented the facts in a clear and persuasive way, and that is how the grand jury saw it, too. There were no grounds for charges of murder; however, the protesters were intent on protesting, regardless of the findings. Also, there was outrage and rejection of the findings by the MSM and Democratic politicians.
A society that doesn't want to abide by the laws will turn to mob rule and intimidation.
This is not America, or, at least, it shouldn't be America.
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The most important question posed yesterday went unanswered. Why was Breonna shot 6 times? The boyfriend who shot the officer wasn't shot a single time. The facts as presented are these:
* He said a male and female (presumably Breonna) were standing next to each other in the hallway when police entered.
* The male fired off a round and struck the officer in the thigh and then the officers returned fire.
* Breonna was shot 6 times.
* The boyfriend was not hit a single time.
How could that be and how could he not have an answer? That's the single most important question in the investigation and he had no answer.
1) The cops intentionally targeted her instead of the shooter. Probably not a viable option, I'm sure you will agree.
2) The cops started emptying clips in a state of battle panic, and she was collateral damage. I suppose I can excuse the cop who was shot for shooting a little wildly. But the others should've had better aim and better trigger control. Seems a little reckless to me. Then again, I can also see the grand jury thinking that she assumed some risk knowing who she was with. I don't think that is right unless she was participating in his crimes, but either way (right or wrong) I'm not sure it is racist.
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Involuntary Manslaughter should have been the resulting charge if that's the case. I'm thinking it's likely since, as the AG said, they couldn't identify who took the fatal shot, the grand jury weren't comfortable levying any charge. Which may be the case, but from ballistics I thought that every gun left specific markings on bullets so they should be able to tell whose gun took the shot(s).
In the end, her death may have been the result of incompetence (hence the firing and $12M civil lawsuit) but during a time of racial unrest in the nation, the burden of proof was on the AG here. He answered some questions regarding the no-knock warrant (false) and Taylor being in bed (false) but even bigger questions emerged that he can't or won't answer. I also find the 32 shot to 1 shot troubling. I don't know how long it takes for three officers to take 32 shots but that wasn't addressed either.
The coming FBI investigation will be interesting.
But, of course, the answer is not to defund the cops, or to loot and riot.
Every time there is an abuse of power by the police, we have a choice:
1) Should we unite as a nation to address police abuse of power generally? That usually happens, at least until nightfall the next day.
2) Or, should we make it a racial issue, and riot and loot and burn down minority neighborhoods, and shout down people who say "All Lives Matter" and generally alienate people who would fight police abuse of power, but suddenly find themselves flying blue line flags.
The arson-riots seem carefully crafted to make sure we never address the police abuse of power issue in this country.
Because that is what they are paid to do or brainwashed to believe is proper.
The Kentucky Attorney General had the authority to charge or not charge homicide offenses. Having not reviewed the facts, hard to say whether his decision was righteous. I do note the City of Louisville paid out $12 million in a wrongful death civil action, which does not necessarily equate to criminal conduct.
The prosecutor controls the presentation to the Grand Jury. It is a one sided exercise. So, I would not place too much stock in the Grand Jury's rubber stamping.
We are a tinder box. Many Americans feel that we have two different application of our laws - one for those who have power and privilege, and another set for everyone else.
Again, effective leadership and tone at the very top would help. But, we have a President who is pushing us towards an autocracy, and who delights in fueling discord and division.
1) why no body cam footage - is that not the law?
2) The raid was a surprise drug search. I am guessing given Breonna Taylor’s background, that she was not the target, but that her boyfriend was - is this true?
3) If 2 is the case, did they know ahead of time that the boyfriend could be violent?
4) If 3 is the case, then why carry out a raid that puts innocents in a potential threatening situation, and the police in an impossible situation.
I honestly don’t know the answers to these questions, but I’d like to hear the answers.
When I see a no win scenario like this, I ask myself if the situation should have been avoided higher up.
The tie to Taylor is that she used to date someone the police were investigating for drugs.
Her current boyfriend was not a target and had a license to carry a gun.
The police either didn't turn on or weren't wearing body cameras.
They were supposed to announce themselves. 1 witness said they did. About 10 said they did not.
The current boyfriend, thinking that someone was breaking into the house, fired his gun and hit a cop in the leg.
In response, the cops opened fire and hit Taylor 5 times. I think she was still in bed though that may be incorrect.
No drugs were found in the house.
EDIT: And the cops lied in their reports after the raid.
The tie to Taylor was more than "used to date" she was a target of the investigation as one who was moving drugs or money for previous boyfriend.
If I am not mistaken - no witnesses said that the police "did not" announce themselves only said they did not hear them
and as they say, "sunlight is a great disinfectant" need to get all the information out to reduce speculation.
The police believed her apartment may have been used in the past for drugs. There is a difference.
And the disinfectant comment is ironic considering the cops weren't wearing cameras and lied on their initial reports.
and would keep (or at least minimize) the multiple narratives.
Not trying to be a prick, help me with the terminology.
- Previous boyfriend is using the appt for drug/money transfer
- Previous boyfriend is recorded in conversations naming her as one who holds his money
- Previous boyfriend has her bail him out of jail etc.
- Warrant is at her appt. looking for drugs/cash - so the appt is the target, but not BT , how would BT be described in this instance?
I still want to know about the body cams. Removing them would be a sign of premeditation.
I did not know the story of the boyfriend, but he was acting just like any 2nd amendment advocate on this board would suggest is justified.
I heard one person confirm the pre announcement of being police while 5 others said they couldn’t confirm it. The problem here is that there is real pressure for anyone who wants to live in that apartment in the future to give testimony that would help cops. One person did hear it. 5 didn’t.
The ballistics report is bothersome to me - why was she hit so much, but the boyfriend wasn’t.
I will have to see the grand jury evidence which ought to be released ASAP, but IMO, the police in this case have a lot of unanswered questions imo.
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This was asked in the press conference and no answer was given:
How did Breonna get shot 6 times but the man who had the gun and shot the officer wasn't shot once? That seems very odd, even more odd that he didn't have an answer for it. I would assume the answer to that question would be at the heart of the investigation and yet, no answer.
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But he didn't answer the question. He said it was unknown.
1) why no body cam footage - Unsure
2) The raid was a surprise drug search. I am guessing given Breonna Taylor’s background, that she was not the target, but that her boyfriend was - is this true? - This was part of a series of raids conducted at a string of locations that night. Various houses had been used for drug and money movement. Breona Taylor's previous boyfriend had used her to hold his money and called her from jail to bail him out multiple times. I don't have the exact quote, but something like "she holds for me." Conversations were recorded from jail phones... I guess that is legal?
3) If 2 is the case, did they know ahead of time that the boyfriend could be violent? - Don't know and not clear that the police even knew he would be there.
4) If 3 is the case, then why carry out a raid that puts innocents in a potential threatening situation, and the police in an impossible situation. Good question... as I understand it, the money and drugs move around so the raids were to try to cover all locations at once? Again, just my understanding.
For everyone involved, I do believe it would be good to open up all the facts. This would help with the logic of what the police were doing, and see if it was "just" with the potential issue of soiling the image of the dead...
When I see a no win scenario like this, I ask myself if the situation should have been avoided higher up.
Another criminal for the left to deify.
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But even that loses its credibility when she is bailing guys out of jail on drug arrests. I think at that point she has moved into an association that puts her is danger.
Again, this is a tragedy.
and it will still be "systemic racism" if the guy who was shot is black. I just wonder if the "systemic racism" goes the other way since the guy charge with shooting the 2 cops is black? Will he be charged with a hate crime if the officers are white? I'm sure Kamala and people inside of Biden's campaign will contribute to help bail him out though. It's just how they roll.
The only problem with the press conference yesterday is he couldn't answer the single most fundamental question posed to him.
Why was Breonna shot 6 times? Her boyfriend wasn't shot once and he fired the gun. Boyfriend fired a single shot while officers fired 32.
These are facts and they don't paint the full picture of what happened. It has been 6 months and he couldn't answer the most fundamental question about the case.
Imagine if this was a hostage situation and the officer shot the hostage 6 times and didn't hit the bad guy once. Would you be satisfied with the results of the investigation?
all be made public by a judge in accordance with the Kentucky Governor's request.
I assume the no-knock warrant was to prevent him from flushing evidence. Nevertheless, civilians in the building testified that they pounded on the door and announced themselves as police.
The first person to shoot was the drug dealer boyfriend. She was killed in the police response to that.
Sad situation which still boils down to: Obey the orders of police officers. Do not fight them. Do not shoot at them. If you think you don't deserve the attention from them, file a complaint later.
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Watching CNN yesterday, you would have sworn that someone had been lynched and no charges filed?
It was a tragedy, but the celebrity (George Clooney/ LeBron) and media positions come across as one sided, and certainly not helping calm this thing down.
at others?
I get it. You lack the capacity to distinguish protestors from criminal behavior perpetrated by a few.
There are so many examples of this:
-diners who have their meals interrupted by protesters who trash their food, overturn their tables, and force them to raise their arm and clench their fists in a black power salute.
-a policewoman in uniform at a grocery store getting harrassed, humiliated, and cursed by a black youth ( I witnessed this yesterday ).
-a friend of mine who was randomly
attacked yesterday by two blacks on a commuter train and was lucky to survive.
-a black man who walked up to two police in a squad car in Compton, California and tried to execute them in cold blood.
These are the fruits of a spirit of lawlessness that has been spawned in our nation. It is getting worse and needs to be stopped if we are to have a civil country.
Not exactly the kind of thing that gives people confidence in his ability to render unbiased justice on this.
You don’t win points as a rising GOP star by being seen to cave in to protestors.
Impartial because he's not a democrat?
Sure, sure.
You sound more like Dim every day.
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I know that this is the MSM inference, but it seems to also be yours now.
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One way or another, there was going to be riots last night. This was all pre-planned.
Link: https://twitter.com/JackPosobiec/status/1308837281852260359?s=20
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They are used to transport signs, shields, and weapons to protesters.
Also, they are used by looters as battering rams to smash the doors of businesses and, then, to haul away the loot.
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You won't see this on CNN, NYT or the WaPo so I figured I would show it to you. Again, I'm sure you don't have issues with this.
Link: https://twitter.com/MrOlmos/status/1309002555838664705?s=20
shit and it's just another day in KY, correct? I'm sure you are enjoying this bullshit and blame Trump because of it. The 2 cops shot were just a cherry on top, right?
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To be fair, he is consistently hyperbolic.
you are enjoying this chaos. What do perverts have to do with the riots that had 2 cops shot last night?
Grew up in Louisville and still have a great deal of family there. Father, uncles, brothers and four generations worth of cousins all around the city... what a disaster.
This is a terrible tragedy and city recognizes it ($12M settlement) and at the same time all the data presented explains a terrible situation/accident. The Louisville police, the state, the FBI and a Grand Jury have all looked at the evidence and made a decision on charges.... and the media seems to just stoke the flames of race and how this is unjust? I could not find a balanced perspective yesterday on TV. And then to watch the coverage.. "F**** the Police", "Burn it Down" is beyond disappointing.
Sad to say, that it is not a surprise that a policeman was shot. This has been a conversation that I have had with my father for the past few months... the city is a tinderbox and all the "outside help" is doing nothing to help the situation.
Another terribly sad part of all of this, the downtown area will likely never recover. Small business, local stores, historical buildings... done.
Add Louisville to the list....Seattle, Portland, LA, Chicago, NYC.....all great cities that slowly will now rot.....
The irony is dripping.
Have been to Louisville numerous times on business; our client is telling us to stay away, it's not safe.
Sad.
And while I can see "progressive Portland" getting mired in this, I was hopeful that Louisville
- Midwest
- Moderate
- Small (my wife says it is a town not a city)
Could get thru this without all the posturing and destruction.