Sure, you always will have your moron fringe. But I wonder how many of Trump’s followers really believe his bullshit, and how many are just kinda going along for the ride here. I bet most of them know this whole thing is full of shit.
Maybe I have too much faith in my fellow Americans. Maybe half of us really are that stupid. After all, the biggest predictor of voting in 2020 was education.
We will see.
You serious have to willfully gullible to believe some of the numbers... especially given the down ballot results.
Something that is obvious is you and your cohorts are, complete idiots and dangerous idiots to boot.
It is one of a couple things:
1) There are more R's than D's that voted in the election and Trump just turned them off, so they voted for Biden at the top of the ticket and then R's down ticket.
2) Some funny business went on.
They lost seats in the house that were supposedly safe, they lost state legislatures, and it was the prime opportunity to flip the Senate and that isn't going to happen. So, 1 or 2 happened, and honestly, neither are good for the D's.
A voter can dislike the POTUS and vote down-ticket who they like for those roles that they play in government.
You're attaching (to use IA's oft witless responses) binary thought to a non-binary process. It's called choice.
I even voted for my congressman bud who is strong MAGA as his opponent was a leftist dweeb.
were wrong about something else. See data in pew research link. Look at the bright side though, the Senate will be a buffer for the next four years and then we go through this again. And, on top of that, the market likes a divided government.
Link: https://www.pewresearch.org/politics/2020/10/21/large-shares-of-voters-plan-to-vote-a-straight-party-ticket-for-president-senate-and-house/
Ala Clinton/Newt, I think they can work some shit out and actually govern.
In a 50% divided nation, only way stuff gets done.
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liberal arts area stinks. Isn't it odd how grades have gone up by a letter grade compared to fifteen years ago, but job preparation is worse. Education is only a tool when applied to your skills and determination to improve your life. Without applying it properly it becomes useless except for conversation. I am an ND grad by the way.
Personally I have to take the words of the guys who went there. You can’t trust any video nowadays.
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Link: https://www.cisa.gov/news/2020/11/12/joint-statement-elections-infrastructure-government-coordinatin
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Amazing that in four years we went from the least secure to the most secure election in history. I'd love to see the data they used for the 1788 and 1832 elections and even the 1948 election, for that matter.
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Link: https://www.cisa.gov/news/2020/11/12/joint-statement-elections-infrastructure-government-coordinatin
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Forget Russia, the biggest conspiracy theory now among us is the "school-to-prison pipeline" and "the new Jim Crow." That literally involves tens of thousands within our justice system. Others include belief in coordinated voter intimidation by the GOP/Trump at the polls, Monsanto and other corporate conspiracy theories, the various left-wing theories about Trump and COVID, from him faking contraction, to the idea that he intentionally contracted it. Don't forget the conspiracy theories within the BDI movement that assert that America's cops are trained in methods of oppressing blacks from the IDF.
Conspiratorial thinking is primarily a function of radicalistic political ideologies, not education. As the highly educated have become more radical politically, they have embraced more conspiratorial thinking.
As for your premise that more education equates to higher intelligence, that is generally true, but there are many exceptions. Some, just down the hall.
Are you sure it's not the disappearance of Spree's from movie theater counters? I'm calling bullshit.
I've wondered aloud before what they heck happened to Spree? It's a top five candy of all time.
It has the Spree box, which is superior to the Spree roll in every way. In prior times, you could get a large Spree box at the theater, which was glorious. It's no surprise out kids are going to prison with this lack of shit to live for.
The original Spree are the only way to go. There was never any difference between the Spree sold at theaters, versus off the shelf.
Or anyone who reads opeds.
We're in a weird and volatile period as it relates to information and media, IMO.
At least those that have evidence (which many do) and allow things to go through the courts. All the way.
Millions on the Left never accepted 2000, 2004 and 2016. Millions on the Right are not going to accept 2020. We should once and for all dig into claims and run them to ground. That's the only way to build confidence in the system.
If nothing else, we can discover ways to improve the system. At the very least get the voter lists cleansed.
the election is approved. I agree let the process take place, prove it is legit (or not) and we can have a smooth transition either way. This bullheaded refusal to allow access to transition issues is stupid.
I have been part of several of the cases. They were tossed or will be tossed.
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investigation versus where there isn’t any.
I am sure you can relate.
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I listed. It's particularly curious and disappointing when it comes to criminal justice hooey, given what you've shared about yourself and your wife's line of work.
Stab these unfounded election conspiracy theories in the heart, and then go after Frank or whomever for whatever weird shit he might believe in.
That might better than defending the unfounded election conspiracy theories on the ground that Frank may or may not disavow various other conspiracy theories most of us have never heard of. Just a thought.
I also don’t have an issue with your higher education thinking for the most part.
It's never a challenge for him to offer up outrage and condemnation of Trump, but it always takes me initiating it to get him to offer any criticism of any number of things that come from the left side of the spectrum. It would mean so much more if people within the criminal justice system spoke up and just completely dismantled the conspiracy theory so prominent today.
I think I’ve been pretty open here in my feelings about BLM, defund the cops, and the prison reform movement.
justice and educations systems.
Please.
The cultists go after Joe and hopefully there is some return to normal discourse.
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Hard to believe someone could be that blind to his own hate. But it’s always been that way.
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what about my point on improving the process? There are issues. If you don't do simple things like clean the voter lists, then you'll continue to have issues.
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The United States conducted a thorough and fair election, thanks to state, county and precinct election officials/volunteers who protected and defended the franchise.
The 2020 election is a testament (amidst a pandemic) to America's greatness -- safeguarding record voter turnout.
Biden won. Fair and Square.
It does not mean the 72 million voters who supported Trump are irrelevant. Quite the contrary. But, Americans owe it to each other to respect the verdict.
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we'll treat you like you treated DT and friends. including restaurants (when they open)
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voted for Trump is a moron and irrelevant. He's certainly a big woofer on his keyboard
There are a chunk of folks who have fallen prey to an alternative universe of falsity. They gobble up utter falsehoods as being true.
But, the "crazy Trump cult" segment doesn't get you 72 million voters. Nowhere close.
I do believe the electorate remains very tribal. But, there was more going on in this election to get that many voters to double down on 4 more years of Trump.
First, many voters supported Trump not because they love/trust him, but because Trump is their avatar -- the quintessential "middle finger ... Fuck you liberal woke elitist 'apologists for everything' arrogant NY Times latte lovin' assholes." Stated differently, these are voters who were voting against a political culture they despise, as opposed to voting for Trump (whom these voters recognize as a flawed President).
Second, many voters bought into the "They're coming for you ... they're coming for your way of life." This is the segment who fears AOC (and "socialism") is really the force behind the Democrat Party, and/or who believe that Black Lives Matter + the summer marches after George Floyd + "defund the police" is a threat to Main Street USA. This is the segment who in my mind, unreasonably believe that the defending the status quo is the whole ball game. I say this respectfully, but these voters may be voting from a bad place deep inside. And it is about race. It is not that such voters are racist, but that they have not been exposed to enough diversity in their life experience. I see this amongst my own family and certain friends. We are not a red state/blue state electorate. We are an urban/suburban vs rural electorate. Those who live in urban settings are exposed to much greater diversity, and hence, are less threatened by it. Urban dwellers do not see a "status quo" that needs to be defended. Many ask "OK, why did so many folks vote for Obama, but then voted for Trump?" My view is that these voters viewed Obama as the poor kid from the housing projects who finished first in his medical school class and develops a cure. He was their great American story. But, to this segment of the electorate, "let's not carried away." And hence, the pushback from Main Street, and the changed vote to Trump, especially after the marches this summer (many who just saw the marches as "riots" or "looting").
I also believe that the perceived polarization amongst the electorate is less than the actual differences amongst the electorate.
People are tired of the noise that surrounded the Trump Presidency. Biden will be helpful quell the stone throwing and identity politics because of his nature and his tone/rhetoric. The passage of time will help.
being called stupid, a moron, or a rube, which is what your crowd ( tho not necessarily you) use as their go to response.
I think we'll have to wait for the conclusion of the special investigation in 18 months to make up our minds.
Sure, some people called Trump an illegitimate president. Just like some always thought that of Obama (remember LT?). And Bush. That’s standard loser practice.
But no prior candidate actively undermined the legitimacy of the election.
Surely you jest.
That must've been a different Chris94 beating the drum of the Russia conspiracy that helped Trump to office for three years. Or are you arguing that Putin helped into the presidency, but Trump was still legitimate?
his campaign. There is a mountain of evidence to show such. That is not, however, grounds to disqualify him as the legitimate election winner under our election law. His campaign also had multiple contacts with the Russians, at least 3 of which were collusion. There is also substantial evidence to support that claim. Also, not grounds for disqualification. Compare and contrast that to Orange’s claims of widespread fraud this time around. Zero evidence to support this claim.
So, the Trump campaign illegally colluded with a foreign nation, to win a presidential campaign, but he was a perfectly legitimate president-elect? Sure, Frank. If what you're arguing here is that because Mueller did not conclude that there was sufficient evidence, therefore Trump was, in truth, legitimate, then I think you are indeed shuffling. Every single person who argued that the Trump campaign colluded with Russia believed and argued that he was illegitimate, including Hillary. To say, "Well, Mueller found no conclusive evidence, so Trump is legitimate" is like arguing that I shouldn't say OJ is a murderer, because the jury said otherwise. C'mon...you never saw Trump as the legitimately-elected president.
Clinton called Trump, and made a concession speech. Obama invited Trump to the Whitehouse a couple of days after the election.
Trump has done neither of those things. Whether or not Trump wants to follow up on specific evidence later is another matter. Simply denying the outcome because you don't like it is not at all similar to what happened in 2016. The outcome was accepted, and then as evidence accumulated, it was investigated with bipartisan approval.
Pop a sleeve of Spree, and you might awake yourself from that half-slumber.
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Did I under my standards think he was legitimately elected, no. Did I acknowledge under our system he was, yes. Even if Mueller had found evidence of a crime, it wouldn’t have undone the result. The only way to do that was 2/3rds of the R Senate agreeing to remove him which wasn’t happening. The point is there was evidence of the interference and the collusion. There is zero of widespread fraud in 2020.
I can't imagine how you thought I was asking anything other than, "You, Frank, did not believe him to be legitimate."
Both Presidents Quincy Adams and Hayes were referred to as your fraudulency.
The difference is the denial of reality by the cultists that Orange lost. All I care about is that they acknowledge that under our system he is prez as of 1/20/21. That did happen in 2016.
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BTW, Hillary still talks about the Russian interference and advised Joe publicly to never concede. So you're going with her concession on election night vs 4 years of questioning the legitimacy since by her, other party leaders and millions of followers.
But, I don't expect you to understand this. Partisans can't...
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Not enough to change the results.
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but it's fraud all along even if you and your kind have constructed it but won't admit it. it's natural people just want to get advantage on other people. no matter what the operating system, either democratic or socialism it will always be there.
is a moron? How about you GFY, you elitist douche?
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Although you might think they were, if you read only this board.
I think many of them are smart enough to know the notion that the election was rigged is utter bullshit.
Prove me wrong.
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O. v. Sanchez, 1997, orange county, California ( there abouts) the judge ruled if someone is registered to vote they are good to vote. Backstory is that O. when out after the election and found several voters who didn't have the right to vote, because they were illegals.
O. stands for, I don't remember his name.
you don't believe it because you partisan. The democrats have been doing this in every election in modern times.
and they don't care about people from somewhere else. They see votes.
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think, but you claim to prove others wrong because of what they think. Hows that work?
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