Not necessarily at work, but in your lives outside of it? Some of you are retired. You have no excuse. These people crumble when someone refuses to back down.
Link: https://twitter.com/madeleinekearns/status/1504541889999085575
People need to boycott the NCAA en masse,and possibly challenge their tax exempt status since they are engaging in political speech, and as soon as a corporation sponsors Lurch boycott them. A small number of activists are holding American institutions hostage.
NCAA gave them 2nd, 3rd and 4th, though.
Thanks again to Connor for posting this. According to the complaint Will still has his biological male genitalia and speaks openly about dating women. This is not a tragic story of a "man trapped in a woman's body" (whatever that means)...
Something far more sinister at play here.
Link: Something is rotten...
Women, they need their heads examined. I can’t believe the NCAA isn’t doing something about this. Imagine the girl who placed 17th today. Work all year to fall one place out of qualifying because a guy took the spot. It’s only going to get worse going forward.
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You're only bullied if you allow yourself to be bullied. None of these transgender supporters or athletes have the ladies back. The left is trolling the rest of us because they have the support and/or silence of the universities, professors, Hollywood, student bodies, and corporations. There is not a single one among them that has any guts. This is the fight of the lady athletes and their parents. So far, it's not much of a fight.
They hated the Right's moralizing and attempts to shame and silence free speech. That's all the Left does now. The parties have switched sides on free speech.
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But I have repeatedly asked a prominent poster if this behavior is a okay with his family. And imagine that! The asshole with the big fucking mouth who's got something to say about anything and everything clams up. Not a peep. Curls up and sucks his thumb like the fucking coward he is. Weird right?
But your girl playing ball at college? Mom and dad paying that tuition? Being there at every game? Rooting for her success? Driving her to all those games? All those practices since she was just a little kid? Nope! Those cowards say fuck you and your daughter. Steven here....errr, I mean Sally...she's playing first now. That'd make me a bit upset.
Going to be happy with a guy in the locker room with their kid? You think they would sit a cheer for him if this dude took her spot on the team? Better yet, do you think they would financially back the school with a donation? And of course, none of them will have the balls to address this head on and answer. But they will be happy to tell us how wrong we are.
a notable authority on swimming and women's swimming in particular...it would do you well to take some time to research, and not just her comments...but at least they show concern for everyone's interests.
Link: https://www.swimmingworldmagazine.com/news/donna-de-varona-transgender-swimming-dialogue-must-continue-its-complicated-and-people-dont-like-complicated/
"Transgender women should be allowed to compete in women’s athletics, so long as these individuals can show that they’ve mitigated the athletic advantages that come with male puberty."
Both she and Donna De Varona are on the same page...they are part of the same advocacy organization...i.e. "Women's Sports Policy Working Group"...they care about both the 'cisgender' AND 'transgender' swimmers.
Having been a competitive swimmer myself, I can appreciate the advantage a post-pubescent transgender swimmer can have after growing much taller and stronger than her competitors...but how to "level" the water in the pool is not at all that easy to determine...but it should be attempted...as opposed to a blanket "not in my pool" attitude...these are real people who deserve consideration.
they've mitigated any advantage.
You're saying: "Let them compete while everything shakes out."
Your scenario has played out and the result has been patently absurd and unfair.
(I disagree with Hogshead-Makar to the extent that the word "Mitigate" should be replaced with "eliminate".)
is quoted as saying, as well as Donna De Varona...my posts do not contain the words "Let them compete while everything shakes out."...admit it, Knute...then re-read all the links.
Dealing with made up accusations can be tiring, but I've come to expect it.
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can show that they’ve mitigated the athletic advantages that come with male puberty."...that's the excerpt I copied...it does not say let them compete and then sort it out...
In point of fact, I disagree with that concept...there must be rules established first...the current situation is wrong...if it were up to me, "Lia" wouldn't be competing...BUT...there would be serious efforts made to establish standards for transgender competitors in women's sports, and I'm guessing that the vast majority of them would have "trans-ed" before puberty...but that's just my opinion.
Again, you made a mistake...stop it.
Idiots are pushing ahead to the detriment of young women who wish to compete fairly…
What happened was a travesty and it certainly appeared you were running cover for it.
If you weren’t I apologize.
Were you?
cisgender women...I absolutely disagree with Penn keeping her on the team...this is what Nancy Hogshead-Makar is saying (read that link), and I've repeatedly said I agree with everything she talks about...read all my posts to see my personal comments on this matter and you'll see that there's not even a hint that I'm "running cover" for the current decision making....please acknowledge that.
But the real issue I'm concerned about, and the reason I posted is that there appears to be no concern whatsoever by too many people for the mental health of a very real and vulnerable cohort within our population...the more that persists, the more we fail as a society...i.e. more willing to cast out innocent people who aren't "like us" as opposed to wanting to take the time to work on a solution that is beneficial to all.
I've included a "TED Talk" video of a transgender scientist that I came across doing a little background study on this whole issue...she works at the Los Alamos Laboratory and apparently is doing some very good and advanced work there...watching the video, and perusing her "Wiki Bio", her story brings back memories of Alan Turning's struggle back in the 40's and 50's with British society's criminalization of homosexuality...a gifted - and innocent - person who has much to offer the world, but is hounded into committing suicide...I trust you get where I'm going with this...
Comments welcome...
Link: https://youtu.be/HLEgiR1Fsds
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professionals is definitely a part of dealing with this malady, but incomplete given emerging evidence from genetic and hormonal studies...read the link to this post, as well as the "TED Talk" video posted earlier and you'll begin to catch up
Link: https://www.news-medical.net/health/Causes-of-Gender-Dysphoria.aspx
He's not a wee lamb in need of protection. He's not a poor soul on the fringes of society. Nor is he a woman trapped in a man's body the poor thing. Stop bring do naïve. Open your fucking eyes and you'll begin to catch up
No. He's a predator. Which explains your admiration. Your support of monsters in noted.
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Ps did a little looking into your boyfriend Sam. Turns out all his gay conversion bullshit is made up. None of it corroborated. Parents deny it. No one remembers him enduring it. And the story changes every time he tells it.
You been had dummy
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How about this: Letting "transgender women" compete in women’s athletics without requiring them to show that they’ve mitigated the athletic advantages that come with male puberty. That is language from your post, and it is what we are doing now. Do you agree that is unfair to women athletes? Or, do you support it?
competing in sports with cisgender woman needs to demonstrate that there are no unfair physical advantages...that's also what I've said...through the comments of Donna De Varona and Nancy Hogshead-Makar in previous posts...you'd know this if you took the time to read them (and they're not very long, either).
Unfortunately, this goal (i.e. established standards for competition) has yet to be achieved...it's a work in progress...and although knowledgeable people (see above) are pushing ahead, there are others, like some on this board, who resist.
Personally, I expect that some transgender girls will be able to compete, but others won't, due to exceptional physical advantages...but I strongly believe that it's only fair to ALL involved...even the boy babies who grew up differently...get a fair shot at pursuing the things they love to do...rejecting that approach is close-minded, spiteful and lazy.
Do you agree with this perspective?
Edit: "girl" changed to "boy"...typo, no hidden meaning...at least not overtly ;-).
I'm really not sure how to talk about adult issues with someone who denies basic science like a child might.
What do you mean by "girl babies who grow up differently?" Do you mean genetic males?
When mentally ill people don't perceive reality correctly, the answer is not to promote their illness like you seem to want to do. That is harmful to them, and to society. Be strong. Be a man. Be willing to call a spade a spade.
I think letting a genetic male with mental illness that prevents him from seeing himself as he really is, compete in women's sports is mean to women, not fair to them at all, and also mean to those men, whom you are not only refusing treatment to, but you are pretending that their illness does not exist. Mean spirited all around.
Thanks to Connor for posting this. Apparently Will still has his male bits and openly acknowledges he still dates women.
This isn't a "woman trapped in a man's body" as some have argued. It's a guy conning everyone..,
Link: Con job...
class women competitors in the sport of swimming specifically...they have taken an awful lot of time to research this issue and those women support transgenders participating in competitions...IF...well considered rules can be established that ensure no unfair advantages to them. They also acknowledge the COMPLEXITY of the situation...something that you refuse to do.
In hopes that you'll join such notable women in trying to understand, I've appended another link that provides a more complete overview of "Gender Dysphoria"...(i.e. Transgender PEOPLE).
I'm sorry to say, you and others on this board display a callous disregard for the welfare of those transgender individuals...you look at them as if they were "Lepers"...this IMO is not the right approach, and I'm happy to help shed more light (understanding) on it with you.
btw, see my edit on the girl/boy reference in my previous post.
Link: https://www.verywellmind.com/gender-dysphoria-5085081
There are "notable women" who understand that this is a travesty. Please stop leaning on the crutch of logical fallacy, and make your points as if you believed in them yourself.
If you were compassionate, you would support getting these people the help they need. And yet, you deny them help, because it helps your political party. Please consider whether what you think is compassion, is at least callous disregard, and more likely actual exploitation of these people with the mental inability to perceive their physical reality correctly.
really don't want to know...but I will respond to the mental illness aspect of all this, which is frankly the central point of my position. To give you a sense of it, I'll share another 'vignette' with you...
Back when my son was in middle school, we joined an "Open League" for basketball and I agreed to coach one of the teams. Of course, my son was on my team, and I also 'drafted what turned out to be a very strong group of players, especially a couple of guards...but there was another player who was 'assigned' to our team...probably because we were so strong...and that boy (I'll call him "Billy") was a 'mainstreaming' Down's Syndrome young man.
Without dragging the story on, 'Billy' played in every game, but what sticks deep in my memory all these years later is the way the other kids treated him...I'll always remember one of our early games when the outcome was not at all settled...our starting guards...on their own initiative...called and set up a play specifically for Billy...it was a clear out for a mid-range shot that HE MADE!...the immediate joy on EVERYONE'S faces...especially Billy's just about floored me...I was SO PROUD of those kids for welcoming him, encouraging him, and celebrating with him. Hopefully, Billy remembers that special moment, but for sure, I'll never forget it.
Why bring this up here?...because I'm old enough to remember when it was common for Down's Syndrome kids to be called "Mongols" or "Retards"...they were summarily shunned and bullied for something they had no control over...I see the same treatment being meted out to transgender kids...it doesn't have to be...just as with Billy, if others would try to understand their situation and condition more, their lives won't have to be made ever more challenging. Maybe, with a little more effort, competitive circumstances can be worked out that are positive and reinforcing for all involved...we're certainly not there yet...but at least we should be able to go about the process in a more sympathetic way.
"Gender Dysphoria" is not a phenomenon that is well understood...what we do know is that genetics (e.g. "Epi-Genetics), hormones (on/off...amounts, etc) and environment can all come into play when evaluating each individual...we also know that un-knowing and un-sympathetic persons can and do shame, bully and abuse those kids...just like what used to happen with Down's Syndrome kids...and as a result, many are traumatized to the point of suicide...and for WHAT?...
More research is needed, both for the causes and treatments of transgender people, along with resolving when it is appropriate...or not...for a transgender girl to compete in women's sports. If it means a separate league for many or all, after study and deliberation, so be it...just so that the weakest among us are properly attended to.
Your story doesn't apply to what is happening in NCAA swimming. The appropriate analogy would by you putting your able-bodied kid in the Special Olympics, and saying that was "fair to ALL," because he is trans-abled. Besides it being nonsense (a part of the analogy that is spot on), it is also unfair, since you are encouraging more talented people to play in lesser leagues so they can dominate them (while calling that fairness, which is absurd on its face, and should embarrass you). But the worst part of it is that you are doing it for political gain, which is shameful.
I call upon you to look at what you are doing. Please stop exploiting the mentally ill for political gain, and please consider taking a more compassionate position.
swimming...she is without doubt physically superior to the cisgender girls due to "transitioning" after puberty...but I also don't approve of shutting the door on ever allowing transgender girls to compete in any sport, including swimming, which is exactly what Donna De Varona and Nancy Hogshead-Makar have said...i.e. efforts need to be put forth that establish verifiable conditions under which there is no unfair advantage given to the transgender girls...IMO, and I believe in De Varona's and Hogshead-Makar's...it can be done...most likely when dealing with pre-pubescent boys who are transitioning...please re-read my posts and the links to Donna De Varona as well as Nancy Hogshead-Makar...none of us is, or has been, advocating for unfair competitions.
btw, your "political gain" comment is your own fabrication...all that I and others are attempting to do is provide assistance to a small, but currently ostracized group of people...if you want to persist in that train of thought, just remember that the "Special Olympics" were started by Eunice (Kennedy) Shriver for no other reason than deep empathy for those children...She just happened to come from a very "Liberal" family and wasn't 'fishing for votes'...so it is with this issue...you need to flat out remove that "Filter" of yours...it's damaging your thought process.
The vignette I shared was intended to show how accepting people can and should be of transgender persons, provided that the proper perspective is achieved. To simply reject the possibility of that group ever joining with women in competition sets a precedent that perpetuates a negative stereotype ripe for bullying and discrimination...For me, the same compassion I felt for Billy exists today...don't try to re-write my own history.
If you really wanted to "provide assistance to a small, but currently ostracized group of people," you would embrace science, and show some compassion to them by encouraging them to seek treatment, and stop using them as a political pawn. And, you would work to make those doing the ostracizing to be more compassionate through your example. But, you don't do that. I encourage you to do so.
You said: "...if you want to persist in that train of thought, just remember that the "Special Olympics" were started by Eunice (Kennedy) Shriver for no other reason than deep empathy for those children." The Left would destroy that empathy by letting able-bodied and able-minded individuals compete in the Special Olympics, just like you are destroying women's sports by letting men compete against them. We have women's leagues for fairness to all. The Left wants to destroy fairness by allowing exceptions to that.
You can't pretend that the Left is not making this political. They are using it to divide people, and mislead their voters into thinking they are doing good, when they are not.
Your analogy shows how you misunderstand this issue. My analogy shows how the Left is destroying fairness.
(I shouldn't have to use the adjective "biological" there, but since you guys are denying fundamental principles of nature, I have to be specific.)
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Also, stop being mean to women.
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That's what you and people like you do to try and muddy the waters. Just spread things around and soon the point gets lost. He's a man. He has a mental illness. He is unfairly competing against women. The end.
As noted in the responses in that Tweet...Emma Weyant is the true winner of the race and the woman worthy of our praise and admiration.
"Complicated because the issue affects different sports in different ways. Complicated because every individual is different. Complicated because organizations want to be fair to all athletes.
“One rule doesn’t accommodate everybody. That is why the IOC punted on their ruling. The IOC realized one size doesn’t fit all,” de Varona said. “Testosterone can’t be the only measure. There are so many other things to consider.”"
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You need to get educated...life is not as simple as you'd like it to be...adults understand such things...you've got some catching up to do.
Don't lecture me about educating myself on what you believe is right and wrong you arrogant self absorbed leftist.
Bottom line is these men have much bigger issues that need sorting out before deciding what sports they should be playing. And THATS the point you're conveniently ignoring.
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With only less than 1% of the population identifying as transgender, you shouldn't be getting so worked up over this...just find a 'little love' and understanding in your heart for some babies who grew up differently than you did...
Link: https://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2022/02/11/deep-partisan-divide-on-whether-greater-acceptance-of-transgender-people-is-good-for-society/
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Biological males have an unfair advantage over females. It's that simple. Only a coward or a blithering idiot disagrees.
Both of them are deeply involved in this issue and Women's Rights...again, I agree with them...they have way more standing here than you do.
Read more...don't just React.
The fuck you would. You have an agenda that you're pushing.
those thoughts are just a click away...what do you think of them?...and again, I agree with them, so no mystery there.
Or are you going to run away and hide?...man up and tell us all what your thoughts are after reading...btw, don't hesitate to do even more research on this...as I have done.
I love how you fancy yourself the only person acquainted with these topics. You're quite the arrogant liberal. I'm sure those in your circle admire your foppishness.
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2 were very good female college athletes and both think it's wrong.
I asked them???? What about your friends what do they think.
All said the same, totally against it.
this is any think but total bullshit. I have never had to confront anyone on this. Of course, I run with normal people, unlike the lib freak on this board