Cities are going to burn either way but I think he will be found guilty and be put in general population to let justice take its course.
I think the more telling will be the lengthy of jury deliberations. If it comes back guilty after a few days, then I think the jury will have considered all the facts and rendered justice appropriately. If they come back in a few hours...well the message will be different.
Based on their comments, very few of them have the fortitude to resist the Chris94 Society which is right now painting their houses in pigs blood.
This isn’t likely gonna be a hard call, where reasonable doubt may possibly exist but the jury doesn’t want to piss off their community.
They should be able to find him guilty on the evidence with a clean conscience
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Good lord. She needs to go away.
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If she really believed as most do, that Chauvin is very guilty of homicide and should be jailed why would she or anyone possibly jeopardize the believed verdict before hand?
Shaking my head.
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Because, we have been telling you about her unbelievable behaviors for a long time now, and you have said nothing. Were you waiting for your MSM signal as to how to address her behavior?
And yes, I agree that Chauvin is likely guilty from what little that I have seen.
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years from now!
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Meadows, Cotton, Paul, Joe Wilson.
Rogues gallery of shite.
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Also known as material arguments against direct democracy.
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Not just to prevent violence - but to give a sense of justice.
This is important.
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A not-guilty verdict would reverberate in the system for a generation. It would do serious damage to an already shaky foundation of the legitimacy of American justice.
This guy needs to go away. It is bigger than him.
reason the other cops did not interfere was they feared repercussions from him. As far as I am concerned he caused all the agony the country is now going through with Antifa and BLM.
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lars of our society.
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It can't accomplish that mission if it loses legitimacy in the eyes of the people.
When the media sensationalizes, willfully ignores/excludes context, and attempts to frame stories and paint pictures at odds with reality simply to serve an agenda and/or drive viewership, they delegitimize sacred institutions and put lives at risk.
When our politicians grab onto these falsehoods and use them for campaign taglines and soundbites, it does the same thing.
I know you hate Trump for myriad reasons, but this is exactly why his repetitive shouts of "fake news" resonated with much of his base. People are tired of this.
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matter, unless it is the justice that you think is correct. Even if you really believed what you posted, how you thought it was remotely "ok" to put it out there is really beyond comprehension.
It sounds like you are saying that even if he is innocent, he should be found guilty?...for the sake of society.
Is that what you are saying?
I think this might be what Chris is trying to say, but he refuses to clarify his position, so...
and doesn't want to admit it, so he walks away. Easily enough done here.
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regardless of actual guilt or innocence?
Quite an enlightened system...
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Why not just have direct democracy for criminal court cases?
I am not talking about short-term consequences of verdicts.
I am talking about bigger issues. And we all need to hope that cop gets the max, for sake of American society and its relationship to its guardians.
Whether he should "get the max" should be wholly dependent on the law and the facts of the case. To do otherwise would be damaging to our system of justice and thus damaging to the long-term prospects of civil society.
What you are suggesting is Neanderthal.
The jury must be heard.
Society as a whole must accept that.
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Not surprised you've never considered it.
possible denominator thinking. Aragato's neanderthal comment comes to mind.
Condescend elsewhere professor. You are making a fool of yourself here.
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Funny how, when YOU can't explain your position, it is because you are so smart. I suspect you think when other people have difficulty explaining their position, you think it is because they are so dumb.
Don't condescend Chris. It is meaningless.
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Marty? You guys yucking it up in the faculty lounge?
brush up on the board rules. Unless, of coarse, loud mouthed professors are above rules.
If you had told me 15 years ago that he would be perhaps the angriest, most bitter posters here, I wouldn't have believed it. Back then, Jabi would call Obama, "the chimp," and I don't recall Chris once call him a white supremacist and go into meltdown mode. Now, he's one of two posters here who even use that term. Quite liberally, I might add. At the height of the Iraq War, to his credit, he opposed it, and received a lot of crap, but I never recall him losing it. I don't recall him calling anyone who disagreed with him "cow country rubes." Now, anyone who disagrees with him on any of the major issues is a bumpkin, sorely lacking in credentials. He's kind of a case study in how culture and politics have changed in a small amount of time. People are a lot angrier and a lot less interested in what the other sides have to say.
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That city is going to burn even with a guilty verdict. It will be a celebration - free shoes, TVs and cell phones all around. It will be considered reparations and the idiots in Washington will call it “peaceful”. You know, like they did all last summer.
logically more than maybe 70% will step back and say justice was served.
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that illogical thought process.
"The primary role of any system of justice is to maintain order in society"
the accused based on the evidence and not mob pressure. That perception is equally vital.
Having said that from what I’ve seen and heard, I can’t see a verdict other than guilty.
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My crim law prof always used to say he could never recognize his own trials just by reading a newspaper article about them.
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Instant major riots across America. Rage builds toward retrial. More major riots there.
Second degree manslaughter would also cause major rioting.
Rage sells.
The sentencing will also cause rioting.
the name of justice
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