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Question? There have been evil leaders in history that killed millions. Do others have a moral

Author: PBHangingChad (15790 Posts - Original UHND Member)

Posted at 1:57 pm on Jun 20, 2022
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imperative to rid the world of this scourge. There are several dictators in Latin America who are starving their citizens and imprisoning many. There is China and Russia have killed thousands. Africa has been a graveyard for years.

I offer a thought that as a Christian country we can’t sit back and watch this suffering, or can we?

I not suggesting nation building, I’m suggesting get rid of the worse in partnership with our allies. Seems we are getting worse.

Thoughts.


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Thread Level: 2

Take them out before they come for us

Author: Curly1918 (16452 Posts - Joined: Aug 30, 2017)

Posted at 7:37 pm on Jun 20, 2022
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Not very Christian I know. But I don’t recall Christ opining on self defense.

In the late 1930s we had a powerful isolationist lobby who believed we we too far away from problems in Eastern Europe… and this we were unprepared for WWII.


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Very neocon + arrogance + ignorance. If you really care about the rest of world, you should go to

Author: Eli (9555 Posts - Original UHND Member)

Posted at 2:43 pm on Jun 20, 2022
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Other countries and live there for a while. This allows you to truly understand other countries. Otherwise please just pay more attention to your town, your county, your state, and perhaps your country if you have extra energy and time.

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Not an answer to my question. No, yes, sometimes depending on circumstances. Those are answers.

Author: PBHangingChad (15790 Posts - Original UHND Member)

Posted at 2:57 pm on Jun 20, 2022
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I reject the premise of your question: Others are suffering, we're suffering-free.

Author: Eli (9555 Posts - Original UHND Member)

Posted at 3:17 pm on Jun 20, 2022
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I also reject your implied premise: we are capable of intervention. It is just an answer yes or no we should do it.

Finally we reject your self righteous attitude expressed from your question toward the rest of world. 21% of U.S. millennial identified as LGBTQ. You call this progressive, I stick to what other countries call this: Western decadence.


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That’ a strange jump. From moral equivalence against evil to LBGTQ rights. Okay you’re out there

Author: PBHangingChad (15790 Posts - Original UHND Member)

Posted at 3:37 pm on Jun 20, 2022
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So your trying to say 1/4 of the world is LBGTQ? Alright prove it. And what the Fuck does this have to do with my original post?

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What jump? I rejected the premises of your question. You assumed something that is not true

Author: Eli (9555 Posts - Original UHND Member)

Posted at 4:05 pm on Jun 20, 2022
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When you asked the question.

P.S. I said 21% of U.S. millennial identified as LBGTQ. Obviously you are not shocked by this high number. That's why you got confused by what I meant. But this high number is unbelievable to the people of non-western countries. You call this LBGTQ right, they call this Western decadence.


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But if you think your small neighbor is run by Nazis, then invasion is AOK, right?

Author: Chris94 (36756 Posts - Original UHND Member)

Posted at 2:44 pm on Jun 20, 2022
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You meant run by Azov regiment?

Author: Eli (9555 Posts - Original UHND Member)

Posted at 2:52 pm on Jun 20, 2022
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Right! One right-wing regiment justifies an invasion that kills tens of thousands, right?

Author: Chris94 (36756 Posts - Original UHND Member)

Posted at 2:58 pm on Jun 20, 2022
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There are times when you might be morally compelled to commit an evil act

Author: Chris94 (36756 Posts - Original UHND Member)

Posted at 2:42 pm on Jun 20, 2022
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…when it prevents a greater evil.

If we had intervened in Rwanda, for instance, we would have had to kill people. But we would have saved a lot more people.

Where you draw the line is one of the central questions of grand strategy.


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Yes one my call dropping the H Bomb on Japan was evil. However some could argue that millions would

Author: PBHangingChad (15790 Posts - Original UHND Member)

Posted at 3:00 pm on Jun 20, 2022
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have died if we didn’t. What’s the moral equivalence?

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It was certainly better than invasion. Millions would have died.

Author: Chris94 (36756 Posts - Original UHND Member)

Posted at 3:02 pm on Jun 20, 2022
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Not sure we had to hit cities right away…but that’s a long story.

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So if we help overthrow Putin and Madura, are we not providing their citizens freedom? Or

Author: PBHangingChad (15790 Posts - Original UHND Member)

Posted at 3:05 pm on Jun 20, 2022
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do we sit back and not get involved. Serious question. Our world is becoming a hazard for peaceful people.

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Neither of those rise to the level of intervention, in my mind

Author: Chris94 (36756 Posts - Original UHND Member)

Posted at 3:26 pm on Jun 20, 2022
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Both are dictators. But if we invaded, we would make both situations worse.

The costs would far outweigh the benefits.


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I get it so we watch starvation and inhuman death right before our eyes saying we have no choice?

Author: PBHangingChad (15790 Posts - Original UHND Member)

Posted at 3:43 pm on Jun 20, 2022
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Thread Level: 8

That's not what we say. We have tools other than military.

Author: Chris94 (36756 Posts - Original UHND Member)

Posted at 4:47 pm on Jun 20, 2022
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Any invasion would lead to many, many more deaths than anything we see now.

Costs & benefits.


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We have our own serious isssues right now w/o a leadership willing to fix it.a moral

Author: ELP (9580 Posts - Joined: Oct 18, 2020)

Posted at 2:29 pm on Jun 20, 2022
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In fact, we have a current administration who seems to want to follow in those countries you mentioned footsteps. Then, don't know if our allies can be trusted at any given time to have ours back. Finally, if it means spilling one teaspoon of our precious military blood, forget it. Look at American corporations and even the NBA and their partnership with China, one of those dark countries. . Unless there is 100% support from our own and our allies, I think it's a losing proposition.

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