from the linked article...
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"The Catholic Church is adamant that life begins at conception, and yet it doesn’t always treat pregnancy losses as a loss of life, particularly when a miscarriage happens early in a pregnancy, before a fetus is viable outside the uterus. Everyone from the pope to the parish priest talks about the fetus as a baby, says Melissa Veselovsky, an Arizona woman who has had two miscarriages, but almost no one is prepared to treat a miscarried or stillborn fetus as a child. “If we’re really serious about life issues,” Veselovsky says emphatically, “we have to look not just at abortion, but also at miscarriage. We can’t say an aborted life is a life that begins at conception if we don’t acknowledge the ones that are lost in miscarriage.”
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Obviously, this has direct implications for the abortion issue...I'm clearly not the only one confused by this substantial dichotomy.
Note...aside from the grief women and families suffer from miscarriages, some proposed anti-abortion laws would have the effect of heaping even more sorrow on their shoulders...let's keep that in mind.
Link: https://uscatholic.org/articles/201610/the-quiet-grief-of-miscarriage/
You can believe whatever you want but that doesn't mean I have too and that's in the constitution.
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You should read it.
Now, answer my question.
Shame on you for making this shit up. If you support abortion, man up and admit it rather than posting all this devious crap. You don't consider it to be murder, in any case. Stand your ground, weasel.
Link: https://www.hcccem.org/services/unborn-babies#:~:text=Reverence%20for%20the%20Unborn%20Deceased&text=It's%20a%20time%20when%20many,and%20compassion%20for%20their%20parents.
for miscarriages?...ever?
Essentially, miscarriages are ignored by the Catholic Church and pretty much left to the women and their families...there is no recognition. As told in the article's stories, it's a rare priest who can be cajoled into holding a prayer service.
There is a chasm between the full-throated rhetoric in an abortion scenario, and the reality of the Church's response to a miscarriage...why is that?
Admit that you are trying to justify your own ambivalence about murdering infants. Stop being such a smarmy weasel. Own it
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in the context of a pluralistic society...the vast majority of which (~90%) believe that abortion should be legal in at least some circumstances...and concomitant with that, the belief that "Personhood" does not begin at conception (e.g. "At First Breath" for the Jewish faith).
Sadly, we have a majority in our Supreme Court that is using a distinctly minority theology from one religion to control the decision making capability of the aforementioned majority...we've got to get past that...especially when it seems that their theology (Catholics on the Court) could very well be flawed from the outset...i.e benign neglect for miscarriages at the earliest stages of pregnancy, yet uncontrolled rage at an abortion in the same stages.
We're by no means done with this question/issue....
I noticed you've never pulled a stunt like that again.
You're not a catholic you're not a Christian. You are a deceiver.
the Catholic Church, with not a thought given to all that "Personhood" means, even from the mom ent of conception? How can the Church not summon the will to loudly, clearly and frequently communicate to women how they can find solace from their pastors, as well as permanent recognition of that loss?
I'm beginning to think that the concept of true "Personhood" doesn't really apply in the Church's view to those situations...at least thus far, there has been no such action.
Meanwhile, we have a Supreme Court Catholic majority and lots of state legislatures acting as if "Personhood at Conception" was settled theology...for ALL Religions and Atheists, as well.hat
btw, don't forget that only ~10% of U.S. Catholics want abortion banned under all conditions.
Weasel.
Why are you so frightened to say you sanction what many people consider to be murder? Why do you feel the need to construct completely buloshit arguments about the church not considering these children to be persons? My cousin buried a miscarried infant in a Catholic cemetery over thirty years ago. Stop relying on your devious citations of other people's opinions. Own it, worm.
position of the Church.....and very publicly with a published article in a Catholic publication...why don't you throw your ad hominems at them?
This is THEIR question, as well as mine...and it is absolutely valid...
Just because you can't square the Church's actions with its rhetoric, don't take your frustration out on me, or those women.
This stance on 'Personhood at Conception' is fueling unspeakable laws such as those in Georgia and elsewhere...
https://www.harpersbazaar.com/culture/politics/a27454956/what-does-georgias-abortion-law-mean-women-who-miscarry/
https://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2022/07/04/we-are-not-going-back-to-the-time-before-roe-we-are-going-somewhere-worse
This is nothing short of madness...and the vast majority of Americans agree...(see the percentage of Americans who want abortion banned under ALL conditions)
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...get serious and think this through....how can the Catholic Church be "all over" personhood at conception for an abortion, but not even an afterthought in a miscarriage?
The question is more important than the answer...
Cognitive Dissonance is a bitch.
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want to expend the energy, I can understand that, but you have in no way come close to an answer.
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from that article/poll...
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Thirty-five percent of Catholics polled said abortion should be legal in most cases, while 21% said it should be legal in all cases. Meanwhile, 28% of Catholics said abortion should be illegal in most cases and 14% believe it should be illegal in all cases.
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Please stop trying to speak for the vast majority of Catholics...you're wrong...
Link: https://fox8.com/news/majority-of-u-s-catholics-say-abortion-should-be-legal-in-most-cases-survey-shows/
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Do me the favor of being truthful and admitting that you don't respect Catholic Doctrine, and I will then ask my priest and report back to you with a full answer.
In the meantime, I will ask: Did you know that Catholic cemeteries allow the burial of miscarried children? I suspect not. Do a little research from unbiased sources, and then come back and visit here. And, please try to stop spreading misinformation.
not treat a miscarriage as the death of a person. If you read the article I linked and 'listened' to the laments of the women in it, you have to know this is true...any response or consolation by the Church is at best, haphazard....again, read the article.
You seem to fashion yourself as an committed true Catholic, so please explain this dichotomy of the Church having no established 'Rites' or even training for priests when it comes to miscarriages,
In the context of the Abortion debate, this situation sticks out prominently...we need an answer.
his knowledge and his commitment to the church just because you’re either, too afraid to tackle the question or do not have knowledge enough to give an intelligent or interesting reply?
You’re so very dishonest and cheap.
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He so often doesn't have knowledge of the topic that he must resort to this tactic.
'gotcha' question...this is real...there is no established Church Rite, process or plan for dealing with a miscarriage...why is that if personhood begins at conception?...how does the RCC go 2,000 years without such attention?...what's going on here?
Put some thought into this for a change.
Why must you be so deceptive?
This is a big deal...if personhood at conception is vital to Catholic theology, then miscarriages should be treated with the same level of concern and attention as abortions...but it's not...why?
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