She said that they should have let him eat cake. She's so cute and funny.
She seems to have fully recovered from her make believe story of surviving the terror the " insurrection." She wasn't laughing then, but it's so much fun to mock a conservative SC justice who just had a would- be assassin stopped outside his house and who will no longer be able to appear in public without being harassed.
Start making her life miserable and then enjoy the crying on Twitter/Tik Tok.
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She deserves total apathy from the conservative right.
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He has no real expertise and no way to argue the facts that I presented, so he does a pubmed amateur hour search to link a well known pro abortion advocate questioning catholic hospital practices.
Catholic hospital guidelines are quite clear. Treatment of ectopic pregnancy - whether surgical or medical is fully acceptable as long as the diagnosis is established (and it wouldn't be ethical anywhere if the diagnosis was unestablished).
Linkboy links a "study" (I use the term very, very loosely) which consists of 24 physicians that she chose to interview - she specifically notes that she "recruited" them herself for this paper - they were not even randomly chosen - all whopping 24 of them. Of those 24, many didn't practice in catholic hospitals. Of the 24, she says she found 3 who said that they had to fill out "bothersome" paperwork confirming the nonviability diagnosis, and they had to "sureptitiously" give MTX and then transfer (no explanation for transfer given which is quite interesting given that people given MTX are managed as an outpatient thereafter unless failure or a rupture occurs which is usually not know for at least a week on average). Also, being a chemotherapeutic, methotrexate is only dispensed from hospital pharmacies with special license to do so. the fact that they could give it at the catholic hospital means that they were able to give it. Methotrexate cannot be given "sureptitiously" at any pharmacy. It is a highly controlled and monitored chemotherapeutic agent. It could only be dispensed if the the catholic hospital had given the ok for it's pharmacy to do so in these circumstances - it could not be hidden. I know this well. I was one of the early people using this in the management of ectopic pregnancies
Regardless, let's ignore the absolute rubbish of a study from a highly biased source. Let's just grant every point she wants to make even though she failed to prove it in any way (all she did was interview some like minded doctors who happen to be on staff at a catholic hospital - most aren't catholic by the way). Even so.........
the post was about AOC's false claim about state laws when as it regards ectopic pregnancy management. No state prevents treatment of ectopic pregnancy - medical or surgical.
Regarding catholic hospital practices, they all are supposed to follow the same guidelines. If they are not following them, then they would be wrong. That kind of thing can happen, but it has nothing to do with the Dobbs decision.
Frankly, after reading the nonscientific article as well as the other articles from this person and her general bias is that she took hearsay from those who themselves are bothered with the paperwork part (one side of paper- required only if methotrexate is used & not necessary if going straight to surgery - ashort 2 minute form at the catholic hospital near me), and the transfer comments sound like noncatholic doctors filled with ill-informed rumors that somehow their patient won't get treatment from the catholics, so they transfer them out in case they need surgery that night. Of course that is not true. Having practiced in catholic and noncatholic hospitals in multiple settings for 3 decades, there is no difference in treatment at the facilities whatsoever other than a 2 minute form when treating with medication (methotrexate) where you attest to the diagnosis which i think is a very good idea when you are about to give a young person a chemotherapy drug.
let's act like the adults we are and go over whatever differences we have, without rancor, and get to the truth of any matter...if we can re-start our dialogues, I'll not bring up the "Pause" ever again...no looking back.
On this particular situation, you're making a lot of assumptions...since you appear to be a surgeon who has significant experience in this arena, I'd suggest you reach out to the author professionally and query her about those concerns you have...then get back to us.
For my part, I Googled "Catholic Church, ectopic pregnancy, interference"...since I had heard comments about how Catholic hospitals had special "Directives" when it came to such conditions...and I found that report which raises serious doubts in my mind. Frankly, the only way to resolve this for you to do what I've suggested...call the author.
Meanwhile, you could help us all out by explaining what the following comment from the report is all about..."Although ectopic pregnancies are not viable, some Catholic ethicists have argued that the Directives preclude physicians at Catholic hospitals from managing tubal pregnancies with methods and procedures that involve "direct" action against the embryo."...what's the reasoning behind "DIRECT"?
Looks like I'm going to have to repeat this many times...you, I, and virtually everyone else wants fewer abortions...we just have two different paths...let's understand each other...this takes considerable time, dedication, patience and trust...are you up for that?
btw, if you're reading this, Bmail me...for other "Confidants" of Baron, Bmail him and ask him to read this post.
This is her tweet.
“Poor guy. He left before his soufflé because he decided half the country should risk death if they have an ectopic pregnancy within the wrong state lines. It’s all very unfair to him.
The least they could do is let him eat cake 🍰”
Yes jim, I speak with great experience here. I have removed many ectopic pregnancies. The life of the baby is not able to be saved, but the life of the mother is at stake. No state prevented this procedure BEFORE RoevWade, and none prevents it now AFTER RoevWade.
Thus, she lied by saying that a woman would have to risk death if she was across the wrong state line. That is an absolute lie.
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Then no matter where a woman is in the US, an ectopic pregnancy will be taken care of in the same way?
Categorically false. Total bullshit. Always treated. Everywhere.
Geddit?
And you know what it is she’s pointing out about States responses and views for an ectopic pregnancy. We all know the dangers of them are the same everywhere.
knows that fools like you are enraged with lies like this.
But that was not what she did or said.
You invented what she is saying. But that’s what you folk do - strawman and red-herring debate.
state lines". That is word for word from your own post of AOC's quote.
She sayd that he (Kavanaugh) decided to put women with ectopic pregnancies life at risk in states where abortion has become illegal.
Lie.
You are a beyond hope if you can't admit this.
Link: https://forum.uhnd.com/forum/index.php?action=display&forumid=2&msgid=86722
anymore. You see AOC said something, you trump-jerk a post about it. If Biden says it, he has dementia or
created inflation.
Just like Piggles or any other trump R on here.
Everyday!
Bye.
available, everywhere...as the linked NIH article shows, that is not the case. IMO, there is every reason to fear that in some states millions of women will be at risk, and perhaps ALL women in the U.S. if a national ban is enacted. Here's the article's text...
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Do religious restrictions influence ectopic pregnancy management? A national qualitative study
Abstract
Introduction: In the United States, ectopic pregnancies are relatively common and associated with significant maternal morbidity and mortality. The Ethical and Religious Directives for Catholic Health Care Services (the Directives) govern the provision of care in Catholic-affiliated hospitals and prohibit the provision of abortion in almost all circumstances. Although ectopic pregnancies are not viable, some Catholic ethicists have argued that the Directives preclude physicians at Catholic hospitals from managing tubal pregnancies with methods and procedures that involve "direct" action against the embryo.
Methods: We undertook this qualitative study to explore the relationship between the Directives, hospital policies regarding ectopic pregnancy management, and clinical practices. We recruited participants at non-Catholic, longstanding Catholic, and recently merged facilities and conducted focused interviews with 24 physicians at 16 hospitals in 10 states.
Findings: Participants from three Catholic facilities reported that medical therapy with methotrexate was not offered because of their hospitals' religious affiliation. The lack of methotrexate resulted in changes in counseling and practice patterns, including managing ectopic pregnancies expectantly, providing the medication surreptitiously, and transferring patients to other facilities. Further, several physicians reported that, before initiating treatment, they were required to document nonviability through what they perceived as unnecessary paperwork, tests, and imaging studies.
Conclusion: Our findings suggest that some interpretations of the Directives are precluding physicians from providing women with ectopic pregnancies with information about and access to a full range of treatment options and are resulting in practices that delay care and may expose women to unnecessary risks.
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Women's health has already been compromised...long before June 24th...and it is very likely to get worse, thanks to Kavanaugh and his four like-minded zealots.
Link: https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/21353977/
Said treatment ALWAYS results in the termination of the pregnancy.
transferred to OTHER facilities...here's the excerpt...
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The lack of methotrexate resulted in changes in counseling and practice patterns, including managing ectopic pregnancies expectantly, providing the medication surreptitiously, and transferring patients to other facilities.
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Clearly, some Catholic hospitals impede the proper treatment of women with ectopic pregnancies...to the point that some patients needed to be transferred OUT of that facility thus increasing the risk of severe complications, or death for women in these conditions...this belies Baron's contention that there is no problem here.
Would ever counsel a woman not to terminate an ectopic pregnancy. Stop lying about this, you evil p.o.s.
of ectopic pregnancies...not my words...the researchers'. Stop throwing "liar" epithets when you can't face facts. The report clearly demonstrates that some Catholic hospitals put women at increased risk for ectopic pregnancies.
If Catholic hospitals acted properly, that report would never have needed to be published.
Anything to score your little points (in your own puny mind).
Cite a single example of any hospital in the entire United States not advocating for a woman to get an ectopic pregnancy terminated. Give me a single example of a woman dying anywhere in the entire USA because she was refused treatment. You can’t. You know you can’t. You don’t care that you are lying. All in pursuit of the murder of infants. What an evil p.o.s.
"Conclusion:
Our findings suggest that some interpretations of the Directives are precluding physicians from providing women with ectopic pregnancies with information about AND ACCESS TO a full range of treatment options and are resulting in practices that DELAY CARE AND MAY EXPOSE WOMEN TO UNNECESSARY RISKS. (my emphasis)."
I'm not sure how much clearer...and HONEST...I can be on this issue....the Catholic Church's position ("Directive") is getting in the way of optimal care for women with ectopic pregnancies. Given the outlandish laws that are being implemented in the wake of the "Dodd Decision", it can only get worse for women...you know...those people who actually have a stake in this issue.
Try discussing issues like an adult who has control of their emotions.
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You guys have said so yourselves. That is exactly what Kavanaugh said also. Since abortion is not outlined as a right in the constitution, it clearly falls under the 10th amendment and goes back to the states for the voters to decide.
Those voters have to decide the value of an unborn, powerless, innocent human life vs the value of being able to avoid consequences for behavior (99%), and in the other <1% of cases whether a second act of violence to take the life of an innocent, unborn human life will undo the first evil, malicious act of rape. No state is blocking abortion when it is to save the life of the mother REPEAT LINE no state is blocking abortion when it is to save the life of the mother END QUOTE.
This is a decision for the people to decide. Those who don't agree, do not want to live in a democracy. The want to live in an authoritarian state. (That would be you).
a Supreme Court justice not once but twice, yes? Of course you don’t. Mother Russia is calling you.
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