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but no mobility, little size, and a really screwy personality as a leader. Kizer has no accuracy, but great size and good mobility and too quiet a personaltiy as a leader.
Clausen never had the physical tools to be an NFL QB. Kizer does. Doesn't mean he will be successful, as Kizer still has a lot to improve upon...but size, speed, and arm are NFL ready.
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Assuming that Monty Van Gorder doesn't take a redshirt year...
We'll be just fine in terms of QB depth.
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That QB depth served us well this year......4-8
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Wow. That is myopic on your part.
Everyone proclaims him a top 10 draft pick
Write it down. He will last well into the second, possibly even the third round
He isnt that good. Good QBs dont go 4-8.
The Stanford records when Elway was there (79,80,81,82) were: 5-6-1; 6-5; 4-7; 5-6
I'm not necessarily comparing Kizer to Elway...but don't think the statement about teams with lousy records can't have good QB's, or that a good QB can't be on a team with a not very good record...is not accurate.
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Glad he will be going to the NFL where he can play for a real coach.
for disaster. That's what we witnessed.
Kizer has top 10 measurables but bottom 50 ability. He's not good.
Nearly 6000yds passing and 1000yds rushing with 47 TDs + 18 Rushing TDs = 65 TDs / 19 INTs -- 60% completion vs the kind of schedule ND faces with a coach calling 40 passes in a hurricane and Kizer is as bad as Kelly?? He's not good?? with a career 147 QBR. Did you feel the same about Carson Wentz cause his numbers dont even come close and that's with an FCS schedule. Subpar QB?! ok
You guys are hilarious...with your hate of an ND player.
17-6 as starter whereas Kizer is 12-11.
Please don't tell me this was a tough schedule this year
Good QBs don't go 4-8.....
He will be as successful as Brady Quinn and Clausen and all the recent star ND NFL quarterbacks
Oh wait.......
Any Adoree Jackson's in the MVC?
not easy or usual. He was good BECAUSE HE WON. There are many many more QBs that have played HARDER SCHEDULES than Kizer the last two years and have BETTER RECORDS.
Fact is just as the HC is responsible for the play of the team, the QB is responsible for the ability of the offense to CONSISTENTLY move the football. Under Kizer starting halfway through last season the ND offense began to inconsistently move the ball. ESPECIALLY during the middle portion of the game. If you go back and watch or make mental notes during games, it's all directly related to Kizer missing the wide open receiver, over throwing open receivers, and holding the ball and taking sacks when there are two or three open receivers. His body language and facial expressions SCREAMED he had no clue what was going on and was in DEEP, DEEP over his head.
Give it up. Paper talent, sh!t product. That's Kizer.
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who's fault is it?
answer: THE PILOT
The controller provides the best possible information. The pilot has to interpret this, adjust and react to the realities of the situation in real-time. Meaning he may or may not have to do exactly as the air traffic controller suggest. The pilot has to EXECUTE.
THAT'S KIZER'S PROBLEM. HE DOESN'T EXECUTE 50-60% OF THE TIME. No offenese is successful when a QB fails to execute 50 - 60% of the time.
Would you want to ride in a plane where the pilot failed to land 50-60% of the time?
Carson Wentz was part of 5, f-i-v-e championship teams in college. Can I repeat, 5... Kizer has a .500 record, if that; no credible wins, one of the worst seasons in school history and can barely beat Mac schools.
You can blame all you want. DESHONE KIZER is NOT a leader, he's NOT a winner and regardless of the "numbers" he's NOT a good QB. I wish the best for the kid but unfortunately, these are the FACTS we've watched and what's been etched in stone. We can only make decisions about what's actually happened. On the field this is a losing QB who HAS NOT beat any team of note.
You want to go by stats? What did you think of Tommy Rees? I bet $100 bucks you hated him.
Well, a few days ago an article was posted with two sets of QB stats A & B. They were almost identical. However, one qb threw the ball about 100 more times, thus making his numbers actually a little worse. Tommy Rees was one qb and Deshone was the qb that threw the ball 100 more times. And just for the record Tommy Rees is one of the winningest ND qbs, NOT Deshone Kizer.
My friend, numbers can be vary misleading if that's all you are relaying on. Look at DK's body language. It's terrible. Sometimes I'm not sure if he's not going to cry. He's NOT a winner. At qb, you have to have someone with passion, energy, fire, determination and the ability to lead a team through good and bad. Kizer does NONE of this. Well, he does well when things are good. The minute it gets bad he rolls over. Hell, he can't even stay focused for 60 mintues!!!!!!! He's NEVER engaged for a full game NEVER.
Big body, big arm, slow - but fast for his size... That's it. It's all paper projections with him. Let the NFL have him. They need another Blaine Gabbert, Donte Culpepper or Blake Bortles. Culpepper is the only one of the three that was halfway descent (Bortles still has time but is questionable).
Sports are about W's, Kizer HAS NOT put them up. That's all that needs to be said.
Tommy Rees was fine. Not good, not bad. Just ok.
And you're delusional saying he NEVER played a full game. Or have short memory...or you just don't like him for some reason.
Do you recall the Stanford game that should've been won by Kizer's game winning drive. That game was lost because of horrific defensive playcalling that left their biggest weapon open for 15yrds at the snap of the ball. Kizer through for 200 and a TD and ran for a 100 and a TD. No turnovers. What are you talking about??
And if you're bring up Carson Wentz lower div championships like they really matter...you must love Kelly's track record then.
All of that and Wentz numbers in four years, Kizer surpassed in 2. And win n losses are on the coach before the QB.
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ND would have won. Without a doubt. I can find 10 plays in every single game Kizer has played where if he just found the open guy, usually the one 8 yards right in front of his face, it would have completely changed the outcome of the game. Furthermore, I would bet big money if you were able to look at his audibles, he likely checked into the wrong play or out of the right play over 70% of the time. I would take this bet blindfolded.
The reason Rees won more games (with less physical talent) is because he understood offense, defense and football. He knew where everyone was and did not have a predetermined read. Kizer doesn't understand any of This.
Brady Quinn was better, Clausen (as much as I hate to say it) was better and Everett Golson was on par with Kizer.
None of those guys made it. Kizer won't make it. He's not a winner. He peaked in High School. Big Kid, not a winner.
He will do nothing in the NFL..
Write it down
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Pass plays all were deep crossing routes or curls or streaks or posts.. The game plan did not involve anything underneath, or at least it didn't look like it from the stands where I sat (and I watched the WR routes). Pass protection was crap, and Kizer didn't really have the time to let the deep routes develop. I blamed Kizer's poor performance in that game on poor coaching and stubbornness on Kelly's part -- the offensive line was not pass protecting, but Kelly insisted on running plays that required pass protection. Throwing in a hurricane shows the same stubbornness and inability (or unwillingness) to adapt..
I think Kizer will be a good NFL QB. In the ideal world, for him, he would get drafted by Green Bay or New England and then sit for a couple of years. That's how Aaron Rodgers developed.
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thought Jurkovec decommitted and is a Bama commit now.
I think Wimbush is going to be really good!
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I must've gotten bad info. I'm glad that it is not true cause Jurkovec is from my HS. I played there so long ago it was called Richland HS...now Pine-Richland.
I must've gotten bad info. I'm glad that it is not true cause Jurkovec is from my HS. I played there so long ago it was called Richland HS...now Pine-Richland.
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Surprisingly good athlete. Wiry. Lots of energy.
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Other than his broken thumb, what news has there been on him?
I haven't seen anything about a decommit from him.
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