Feels like Kizer's NFL career is mirroring Clausen's
Both left early after terrible ND seasons.... Both were, at one point or another, projected to be first round picks.... Both slid to second round to terrible teams... Both teams will likely have taken a QB with the first overall pick the following year.... neither will probably ever get the chance to develop into a starting QB on a solid team.
Crazy coincidence and too bad.
Replies to: Feels like Kizer's NFL career is mirroring Clausen's
If Blake Bortles can make it in the NFL, Kizer surely can.
There is no way in hell Kizer was/is going to succeed in Cleveland. He was thrown into a dumpster fire with no experience. What did anybody expect?
Give him a year or two develop and put him on a team like Jacksonville. You'll see a different QB entirely.
Oh, I think he can make it. But he was unlucky to land in CLE and hard to recover.
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+ Kizer has no brains
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This is an asinine post
No further comment needed
Too harsh. He’s an intelligent young man.
I've know very intelligent people who have made bad decisions, which is what one can say about Kizer- he's made poor decisions on the field that have led to a lot of turnovers.
I am not counting him out.
Besides throwing INTS in the red zone and going 0-16...
What has been the knock on Kizer...arm strength? accuracy? He's had crappy receivers on a crappy team with a crappy running game.....why can't he develop with experience into a solid QB?
He could. Has the tools. Needed more time to develop. Esp for a QB, it's often the luck of where
You're picked. Or lack thereof.
the browns have so many issues, the last thing they need to do right now is draft another QB.
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..but they probably will.
'cause they are The Browns.
Amen
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BK was scalded for saying DK should stay in school.
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I think Kizer still has a chance. Clausen was small, not nimble though he was a very accurate
passer. Don't forget he had Cam Newton coming in. He really was playing well the game he started in Chicago until he got cheap shotted and concussed on the play. Kizer is condemned with a bad team but if he lands on his feet will have a chance. Clausen played for a bad team, went to a bad team and ended with a bad team.
Cleveland—where all QBs turn to shit.
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If Kizer is or ever was an NFL talent he will have an NFL career
Rookie seasons on a bad team are irrelevant.
It may not be dispositive....but it’s certainly relevant.
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disagree
Garopolo wasn't a superior player when he came out and if he went to the Browns, his career would probably be like Clausens. He went to New England and sat and learned for a few years and now the arrow is pointing up for him. Where a QB goes has a huge impact if they are not a top 10 pick because many of the NFL teams, especially the bottom feeders, don't develop QB's. If they aren't the obvious solution after a year, then throw another pick at the position, often a higher rated guy like Newton with Clausen or Rosen for Kizer and then they are leftovers. At that point, they might be able to resurrect their careers, but a lot of that is luck in going to the right place. Also, after a year of failure and replacement their head is often messed up and the head is the key element for a successful QB.
Agree w/ all of this ^^^
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Uhh, yes it is relevant. It often ruins careers.
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You mean the ones that were never going to succeed regardless?
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How do you know that? What if he ended up on a team like the Steelers? Sat behind and learned
from Big Ben for a couple of years and then had a great structure around him?
What if the Steelers don’t want him because they don’t think he has a future?
If they want him to sit behind Ben for a year they can trade for him while the Browns move on to their next QB
Didn't Clausen encourage him to leave? I thought I remember reading that somewhere.
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Re: Feels like Kizer's NFL career is mirroring Clausen's
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Kizer made a very bad decision
At least Clausen played some his freshman yr, but Kizer leaving after 2 years only was just plain dumb..QB in the NFL is very difficult, it requires all the experience one can get..If an agent, I would advise any QB hopeful to play at least 3 yrs in college..Especially coming off a 4-8 season, in which he had the opportunity in 6 of those games, and failed to tie or win in 4th quarter, thus in my view. proving he wasn't ready..You have to bring teams from behind in NFL to be successful, and be very adept at the 2 minute drill..
He was never going to be a good pro quarterback. Leaving a year early did not affect this outcome.
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It did if it meant he wasn't going to end up on the shitty browns a year later
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I actually agree with that, just thought the extra yr, would have given him a better chance
but yes, I don't see him as a good NFL QB .
How many good QBs in the NFL now, maybe 10. The rest are journeymen.
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I agree...many a mediocre QB in the league..
Many a reason for that I guess, but I don't think the colleges are developing QBs as in the past what with different spread offenses, and kids themselves coming out too soon..Seems like the pro game, and college game keep growing further apart
Kizer will be fine
It was very hard to imagine that ND was going to do as well as they did this year... and another year like we had in 2016 might have sunk his draft status. As it is, he's wealthier than most members of this board and has a year of experience in the NFL, which has to be better than he would have gotten if he'd stayed in college. Meanwhile, I'm not sold that Darnold has the golden touch, and he may end up doing worse than Kizer with that surrounding cast on the Browns. I feel its way too early to pass judgment on Kizer. Actually, I don't feel comfortable passing judgment on anyone.
Just like his on the field decisions.
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Re: Kizer / Clausen
Is Clausen still in the league
Concussion ended his career
After that last concussion he took when he was with the Bears, it looked like it was all over.
Re: Concussion ended his career
Quite frankly, I don't believe there wasn't much left in the tank after getting beat up (read sacked---didn't he set the record for getting sacked?) while at ND. It didn't exactly blow my dress up the way he handled his intro at the CFB Hall of Fame, but I love cockiness--especially in a QB--but only if he backs it up.
Same with Brady Quinn?
I think Brady Quinn got screwed and had little opportunity. Circumstances and Denver going with the
shock factor of Tebow when Quinn actually beat him out really hurt him. He won some games as an underdog in the pros.
Brady wasn't great pro material
He had everything you wanted, size, strong arm, some athleticism, good leader, worked at his craft, but he just wasn't accurate enough.