top 5 football coaches @Notre Dame,( holtz leahy should be top 3)
No way should frank leahy be #3, he is either one or two, four national titles come on
My rankings are Rockne/Leahy one two, Holtz, Ara, then Harper/Kelly.
Link: https://slapthesign.com/2019/06/10/the-top-five-notre-dame-football-head-coaches-of-all-time/4/
Replies to: top 5 football coaches @Notre Dame,( holtz leahy should be top 3)
easily Ty, Weis and davie right
Ohhh the best coaches....
Rockne/Leahy tied for 1st, Ara/Holtz tied for 3rd, Devine/Kelly tied for 5th, HM goes to Jesse
Harper and O'Leary (the best that never was).
Rockne, DeCicco, Leahy, Ara, McGraw
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What McGraw has done doesn't even hold a candle to what Digger did in the 70s.
As documented here many times, women's basketball bears no comparison to men's sports. You only compete against a handful of really strong players, the type of student-athletes you get are vastly different and the stakes are infinitely less.
Otherwise, it's really smart to compare a women's basketball coach to Lou Holtz and Brian Kelly.
Spoken like a true misogynist.
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As opposed to a fake one, Beav?
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How many NC's would ND have won with you or Digger as the coach of the Lady Irish?
Posted at 3:12 pm on Jun 13, 2019
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People have been asking that question for years now.
Here's the correct answer:
Digger: 10 NCs.
Me: 5 NCs.
This isn't the Hoopty, though, so you're not going to impress as many people with your White Knighting here.
So then you are The Black Knight? Cue Monty Python.
Posted at 9:18 pm on Jun 13, 2019
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Even Digger admits Muffett is a great coach.
Posted at 3:15 pm on Jun 13, 2019
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Link: https://twitter.com/DiggerPhelps/status/980612915995856897
You must have been a fencer. DeCicco does not make it, sorry.
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Rockne, Leahy and Ara in football. Keogan and McGraw in hoops.
Posted at 2:28 pm on Jun 12, 2019
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Yo Donnie, watcha smoking listing Kelly at five? He hasn’t even won a major bowl game.
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Leahy never won a single bowl game at Notre Dame!
Of course, Notre Dame didn't play in any bowl games during his tenure . . . but still . . . .
Never lost one either. BK has lost every major bowl game he played in.
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1. knute; 2. leahy; 3. muffet; 4. ara; 5. everybody else....
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Muffett ahead of Ara is looney and sacrilege. My God only a couple of schools compete
against us in women's basketball recruiting. In college football, the major sport of college, we had and have tons of teams to recruit against.
show me one - just one - other coach in any sport who unexpectedly lost 80% of their experienced....
....starting lineup, made a number of incredible adjustments to player and game strategies in a critically short time frame, and won the national championship after beating every top rated team in the country. muffet did that. it was a feat worthy of a top rating in any context. the rest of her résumé is every bit as impressive as any of the best minds in any sport. certainly top 5 in notre dame history.
This is quite correct.
Muffett is great in her milieu...but it is not comparable to major college football.
What TheismanCarr said...
Ara was on another planet compared to Women's Basketball....it is laughable to compare the two...... that game is played below the rim .. unwatchable...Lol ..
Muffett ahead of Ara is looney and sacrilege. My God only a couple of schools compete
with Muffett's program for recruits. Ara was in THE major sport against tons of great programs.
If you add Muffet, then you have to add Auriol and DeCicco
Notre Dame Fencing...these guys probably need to go ahead of Ara/Holtz/Devine and Muffet...and maybe even Rockne and Leahy, since they have better win percentages:
-- Yves Auriol (.941)
-- Michael DeCicco (.938)
And then there is the slacker Janusz Bednarski (.909).
while important, win % is a secondary factor as an indicator of great ND coaches
I certainly think that Ara and Lou were great coaches but they were playing with a stacked deck compared to what Muffet and DeCicco dealt with. Muffet and DeCicco built the programs to where they are today. Even given the excellent win % and obvious coaching success, Auriol and Bednarski were at ND because of DeCicco and rested on what he built. I can't tell you all the midnight requisitioning I did for the fencing team just to get practice gear that didn't have holes or stains while they were breaking out new gear every week for the football team. DeCicco had a great story about how he had to harangue Moose and Fr. Joyce for weeks to get breast plates for the women fencers in his budget.
Nope, Based on......
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Link: https://www.sports-reference.com/cfb/schools/notre-dame/coaches.html
Not really...
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1. Rockne 2. Leahy 3. Ara 4. Holtz 5. Devine
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^^^^^^This^^^^^^^^
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Devine did less with more than any other coach.
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Faust did the least with the most.
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Agree completely
Having crossed the time between Ara and Devine and having seen both "inside the lines" so to speak, there is simply no comparison between the two. If you want to put Devine at 5th on a list of ND coaches (although I don't see him any different than Kelly in terms of coaching acumen), there is a huge gap after 4.
Delete.
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Also agree completely. Crazy comebacks saved Devine and he somehow won a national championship
in a season when he lost a game to a 30 point underdog.
Yep, this is the standard, ignorant view of Devine. Cubsfan lists his accomplishments below.
Devine was an excellent big-game coach and his teams were most notable for their defenses. He won at Missouri. He won at Arizona State. Not exactly powerhouses, but he made them into good programs. His sins were that he was a little weird and, worst of all, he wasn't Ara. Then ND hired a buffoon to replace him and I think a few ND fans with some sense about them realized how good Devine really was and what a bad coach really looked like. In the case of Gerry, that looked like a single-wing high school offense and running up and down the sidelines telling the players to say Hail Marys. Given the players Devine had assembled, which Doofus squandered, I don't doubt Devine would've had ND playing for a title again in 1981 or 1982.
Inherited amazing D from Ara, nearly blew it (see Lisch, Forysdyk). 3d string Joe bailed him out.
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Devine was solid, but he's 5th at best; to his credit,
his winning % is same as Holtz, and he was 3-1 in bowls, beating PSU In Gator, Texas for nat'l title in cotton, and cotton miracle over Houston..Lone loss was to no. 1 Georgia in Sugar, a game ND could/should have won, and gift wrapped for the 'Dawgs..I wouldnt characterize that as "less with more"
Correct. The only possible argument to any of these is
That one might try to argue that Holtz is 3rd and Zara is 4th based on the fact that Lou was cheated out of another championship (or two).
But I would not agree with that argument
I think there is a good argument for Lou 3rd, but for me Ara's 13 less losses swing the debate
to him...But as you pointed out, Lou had best team in country in '89, and '93..in addition to '88 title..I do think LOu played much tougher schedules..and Lou went 5-1 in major bowls beating nos, 3, 1, 3, 4, 7 during that magical '88'93 6 season run, lone loss due to refs nullifying Rockets run against another no. 1 team...Its close..
Agreed on all counts.
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Re: 1. Rockne 2. Leahy 3. Ara 4. Holtz 5. Devine
Rockne, Leahy, Ara and Holtz are no-brainers. Anyone who does not put them in the top 4 spots knows nothing about college football. The only debate is who is in the 5th spot - Kelly or Devine. I would argue that it is close between Kelly and Devine, but having won one National Championship in 1977 and playing for a 2nd title in 1980 against Georgia in the Sugar Bowl places Devine ahead of Kelly.
I don't believe ND was playing for the title against Georgia. The had a loss and a tie.
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Correct, another national title run was derailed at USC,
Irish were no. 1, when a 3-3 road tie at GA TECH dropped them to no. 6..The subsequent 7-0 win at 'Bama elevated ND back to no. 2...they went to USC for last reg season game where a win would have set up a national title game with no 1 GA and no 2 ND..
This is the only possible correct answer.
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Agreed.
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