PSU jumped up a spot for a 7 point win vs Indiana
Wisconsin jumped 2 spaces for a 13 point win over Nebraska
Even Appalachian State even moved up a space for beating Georgia State.
Doesn't ND have to finish in the top 10 to be eligible for a NY6 Bowl game (or something like that)??
No way ND jumps up to the top 10 even w/ severe beatings of BC & Stanford (not that that'll happen anyway)
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..if anything we should maybe be a little lower.
On paper it looks good to say we lost closely to Georgia (look how good they are playing now) but in reality Georgia played poorly the night we played them, but their home crowd was awesome and we were determined to play worse than them.
Since then we have remained stagnant (if not even regressed a little) while they have improved. Beating the crap out of lesser teams and Kelly claiming 'we've seen the light' doesn't fool me and apparently it hasn't fooled the committee either.
....make no mistake about it.
I’ll be (pleasantly) surprised if Kelly ekes out a win at Stanford finally...even as bad as they are.
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the Homers really get upset.....
Proclaimed we would finish in Top 10 and then finish 6/7 with a New Years Day Bowl win.....
We have played two good teams....and lost to both of them....one very badly
We are a two loss team and clearly the committee doesnt think we are one of the better ones
Who cares about rankings after that?
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the teams that beat blow and are overrated. And bowl games like mentioned above? Any one of those we win - over LSU, or Miami, or whoever - that sucks too. Get with the program.
....given the weight they deserve.
How many major bowl victories does Kelly have?
How many major bowl victories has ND had since Lou won the 1994 Cotton Bowl?
What do we aspire to?
just not in this case. They were really overrated.
Maybe ND is pretty good when their QB gives their NFL WR a chance to make plays?
Until then Navy is a suspect team. Not a can of corn, but not seen as near a ranked team. And the fact that we blew them out doesn’t help that perception. Catch 22.
when the opposing team can't pressure the QB or cover the WR's. Then again, who isn't?
Don't get me wrong, I think ND has top 10-15 talent across the board (not at every position, of course). But that's the problem, that talent on offense usually looks like top 40-50 (if that) talent against really good teams. The system, and how BK wants it run, is what makes these really talented players look totally over-matched against good defenses.
See my post below. They aren't the onlytop 25 team to get blown out but because it's against ND that seems to matter. Why?
You can't look at their talent and argue that they're a top 25 team though. Maybe not even top 50. Their record this year is born out of out executing teams with average talent.
They got overwhelmed by talent Saturday. ND did exactly what they should do against a team with Navy's talent and it was beautiful.
I'm arguing top 25/overrated.
Someone has to be in the top 25. The difference between 25 and 40 is small. At quick glance, around 8 teams in the top 25 have embarrassing losses in terms of who or how much. Why don't we disqualify them? That the point I'm making.
ND did what it should do against Navy no doubt. ND is much better. Much like Ohio State is much better than top 25 Cincy.
So it gets back to ND eating their own, which let's face it, we know the reason. ND fans can't give credit to this team because if it does, then that's giving Kelly credit. So instead, everyone we play sucks, we suck, let's be miserable.
Did i miss that?
What exactly are you going on and on about at this point?
We have a weak schedule this year.
We have lost to the only two teams worth a damn
One of which we lost to embarrassingly
No one said anything about other top 25 teams losing a game embarrassingly
No one said we don't deserve to be in the Top 25
We did say getting back into the Top 10 isn't going to happen
Are you a grad? Just askin'
if Navy played ND's schedule, they'd prolly have been 2-5 coming into SB Saturday. Would you gush over the drubbing ND gave them then?
They are not very talented, therefore they are not anywhere close to top 25.
As for ND fans "eating there own", I'm not seeing that. Everyone I've talked to, read from or heard from was thrilled with the W and how the players played. Doesn't change the fact that the next time ND plays a really good defensive team they're gonna look completely overmatched despite having really good talent themselves. That's not "eating their own" or being "miserable", that's just what BK teams have done over the last 10 years. Expecting anything else would be foolish at this point.
team before our game and lost. Not a good look.
They had played some of those FBS teams that are ranked lower than some FCS teams
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You do realize someone has to be in the top 25?
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ND had its chance last year and wet the bed in the playoffs. The committee voters won’t take them serious especially letting Michigan whip that ass. Season is basically done nothing left except another premature, disappointment, poor coaching, unprepared, ass whipping against a top 15 team in a bowl. I hope they line us up against Florida, Auburn or Minnesota and BK gets out coached again.
We lost to the only two true quality teams on our schedule, one really badly. It was a bad bad look.
We're ranked exactly where we should be. Name the best team we beat. We wouldn't be favored in a game against anyone ahead of us with the possible exception of Minnesota who may be a tad overrated but even they have a more impressive win that we do.
You want to throw Navy out there as a "quality" team just because they had one loss? Have you looked at their schedule?
Pollsters are running out of teams to rank. Heck Iowa is ranked 17th and they are really mediocre. Iowa State is 6-4 and ranked 22.
has three losses, and didn't play Georgia as tough as ND Did, they trailed 21-0, and were AT HOME..
We lost to the only 2 quality teams we played.
Beating up on the likes of Navy, Duke, NM, etc while beating a pretty average VaTech at home on the last drive of the game doesn't get you ranked highly.
competitive in all 3 losses.
AND ONLY MADE IT CLOSE, when Georgia decided it morE important to kill clock Sorry, cant buy auburn ahead of ND
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We aren't in the CF playoff. Let's just win and let the ranking chips fall where they may.