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Yikes! New Poll Shows Trump Behind DeSantis by Double Digits in Key Republican Primary States...

Author: fredyo (12582 Posts - Joined: Sep 7, 2009)

Posted at 10:56 pm on Nov 14, 2022
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Former president Donald Trump trails Florida Gov. Ron DeSantis (R) in key Republican primary states, according to a new poll released by the conservative organization Club for Growth.

The Republican Party has been in turmoil after the GOP underperformed in Tuesday’s midterms, as it failed to retake the Senate and is poised for a slight House majority despite predictions of a “red wave” election. Exacerbating matters is Trump’s looming announcement on Tuesday, when most observers believe he will declare he’s running for president.

DeSantis has not publicly ruled out a run. That has rankled Trump, who accused the governor of disloyalty after the former president endorsed him for governor in 2018.

Several Trump-backed candidates fared poorly at the polls last week, particularly in swing states and districts. Meanwhile, DeSantis coasted to reelection in Florida, after which Trump publicly attacked him. Many Republicans fear another Trump run could damage the party.

Conducted after the midterms from Nov. 11 to Nov. 13, the poll shows DeSantis leading Trump in four states among likely Republican caucus and primary voters in those states.

In Iowa, which hosts the first-in-the-nation Iowa Caucuses, DeSantis leads Trump 48% to 37%. Those figures represent a dramatic swing from a survey conducted by the same pollster, which found in August Trump leading DeSantis 52% to 37%.

DeSantis holds a 52% to 37% lead in New Hampshire after being tied with Trump in August.

Trump is far behind in Florida, 56% to 30%. And in Georgia DeSantis leads 55% to 35%.

The polls had varying margins of error that ranged from +/- 3% to +/- 4.9%


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Thread Level: 2

I would think Republican values would have them vote for either against any Dem but DeSantis is the

Author: THEISMANCARR (17148 Posts - Joined: Aug 10, 2007)

Posted at 11:46 pm on Nov 14, 2022
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safer candidate if independents make a difference. That said I think we will be so screwed up in two years whether anything gets done or whether everything stays the same that either would win. I guess we pull hard for the Republicans to win the House so things will stay the same instead of getting worse if Dems win the House.

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Republican values? You're funny, Theis'.

Author: ND521 (9258 Posts - Joined: May 10, 2016)

Posted at 1:30 am on Nov 15, 2022
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God may not care who wins, but His mother does
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Re: Republican values? You're funny, Theis'.

Author: THEISMANCARR (17148 Posts - Joined: Aug 10, 2007)

Posted at 9:41 am on Nov 15, 2022
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I am talking small government influence, police support to help fight violent crime, low taxes, being responsible for your debts, strong employment with low inflation, strong border control, peace through strength, at least a banning of abortion when a fetus can feel pain and fights in the womb to survive...you know things the Dems are so weak on.

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Let's take a deeper look at your concerns...

Author: TyroneIrish (19749 Posts - Joined: Oct 8, 2020)

Posted at 10:50 pm on Nov 15, 2022
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>Small government/police support....(see linked article)...Biden's America Rescue Plan pumped tens of billions into those organizations...

>Lower taxes...as opposed to Trump's $2T gift to those who never needed a tax break, the Dems have been fighting to get those making over $400K to pony up a little more of their truly 'disposable' income.

>Debt Responsibility....students have been doing the hard work of going to college to better their future opportunities, yet as everyone knows, tuitions and fees have gone through the roof, thus making necessary student loans for lower income people virtually impossible to pay for...btw. some countries (e.g. Ireland) make college FREE for those who qualify, as most of our loan forgiveness recipients do.

https://www.brookings.edu/blog/the-avenue/2022/08/25/bidens-student-debt-cancellation-doesnt-solve-the-root-problems-facing-borrowers-but-its-a-start/

>Strong employment with low inflation...hopefully, you've seen the latest employment figures...not bad...also, you need to come to grips with the FACT that "Inflation" is a GLOBAL problem brought on by two things...COVID and Putin's War....even that is getting under control as evidenced by recent CPI figures...(see recent Stock Market performance for recognition of those results).

>Strong Border Control...search my very recent posts for "Border" references...i.e. our Southern Border is no more "Open" than it was before...just a lot more people fleeing their homelands due to natural disasters, poor government and rampant crime...those refugees and petitioners are being given a legal hearing, and by no means are ALL of them taken in...the numbers are totally transparent and accessible...Oh, and two months after taking office, Biden loudly told potential immigrants to 'Stay Home' (Google it).

If you meant to include 'Fentanyl', again search my recent posts with that keyword as well...the scourge started in earnest around 2014 and I don't recall a major blow to the trade under Trump...it's a really hard challenge, to say the least, for any Presidential administration, yet Biden has increased funding to fight it (again, search my posts on that).

>Peace through Strength...???...not sure what you mean, but Biden is working overtime to see that an international madman does spread his 'Anti-Peace' mentality any closer to the USA.

>Abortions...more searching for you...check out my linked post within the last few days on "KFF...Late Term Abortions"...it addresses the concern for fetal pain and the extremely rare occurrences of abortion after 21 weeks...

When you think about abortions, be sure to think in terms of totally Unwanted Pregnancies inflicted upon totally innocent women in cases of rape, incest and abusive spouses...the attacks are heinous in themselves, but the damage to the women is amplified and extends for a lifetime if government FORCES them to carry such pregnancies to term...once again, feel free to search my recent posts.

Dems are the only ones who are factoring concern for innocent women's physical, mental, emotional and financial health...along with their FREEDOM to live their lives as they choose to live them.

This is a pluralistic society with many religions that believe "Personhood" begins at Birth (Judaism), or at 'Quickening' (Certain Christian sects, Muslims, Hindus, and even a majority of Catholics)...therefore, it is wrong for a minority of Americans (10% or less) to dictate government banning of the OPTION of safe abortions for women.

I'm not sure if you'll ever see the "other side" of your concerns, but hopefully this post will get you started...in any event feel free to challenge me on any of these issues.


Link: https://www.themarshallproject.org/2022/09/07/how-federal-covid-relief-flows-to-the-criminal-justice-system

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Your party voted to kill post-birth babies up to 21 days old.

Author: Cole (16136 Posts - Joined: Oct 15, 2012)

Posted at 3:44 am on Nov 15, 2022
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Without reservation we all know the family values hustle by the Republican Party is just that,

Author: jimbasil (52311 Posts - Joined: Nov 15, 2007)

Posted at 6:50 am on Nov 15, 2022
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a Hustle like every thing else that is said by you all.
Honesty has been auctioned off for a mere pittance.


Jack, he is a banker
and Jane, she is a clerk
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Don't worry Rs. The MSM will tell us who the R candidate should be.

Author: ELP (9323 Posts - Joined: Oct 18, 2020)

Posted at 8:45 am on Nov 15, 2022
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They will also tell us what potential R candidate they are worried about by telling us who the R candidate should be.

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Correct me if I'm wrong, but I think you are making this argument.

Author: jabbadoody6 (474 Posts - Joined: Oct 30, 2022)

Posted at 7:54 am on Nov 15, 2022
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You are making the claim that Republicans aren't actually pro-family values and, in your mind, that balances out the fact the Dems support leaving babies on hospital tables to die.

Can you tell me what the Republicans are doing to erase the Democrats' sin of supporting child mutilation?


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my prediction…Trump will run and the minute he starts to lose he’ll say he’s getting no GOP support

Author: WestCoastIrishFan (16173 Posts - Original UHND Member)

Posted at 11:10 pm on Nov 14, 2022
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and is going to run as an independent.

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😩IT’S RIGGED😩

Author: jimbasil (52311 Posts - Joined: Nov 15, 2007)

Posted at 6:42 am on Nov 15, 2022
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Jack, he is a banker
and Jane, she is a clerk
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Trump has no home with the Independents.

Author: conorlarkin (20779 Posts - Original UHND Member)

Posted at 2:32 am on Nov 15, 2022
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Trump’s announcement has more to do with his defense of criminal charges than about winning the 2024 Presidential race. He knows he has zero shot with the electorate.

The American Dream belongs to all of us. — Kamala Harris
Thread Level: 4

Couldn't agree more...IMO Trump's only hope to avoid prison and ruin is to reach the 'safety' of the

Author: TyroneIrish (19749 Posts - Joined: Oct 8, 2020)

Posted at 12:23 pm on Nov 15, 2022
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Presidency...ergo the constant legal delaying tactics (Special Masters, etc.) while he attacks any and all rivals (DeSantis...) who threaten that 'Safe Harbor'...he will be a candidate for President in 2024, one way or another...unless he is indicted, convicted and incarcerated under the Espionage Act...after these midterms, can't see him winning any national election with that "CV".

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I said that to Lance last week. He's a megalomaniac and will do just that to get even.

Author: fredyo (12582 Posts - Joined: Sep 7, 2009)

Posted at 11:23 pm on Nov 14, 2022
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Keep on rockin' in the free world
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So, after polls showed a red wave, we are still looking at polls as a source.

Author: ELP (9323 Posts - Joined: Oct 18, 2020)

Posted at 11:03 pm on Nov 14, 2022
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Didn't those polls also show Hillary as a landslide winner in 2016? Polls...pfft!

Author: guiness4everyone (2240 Posts - Joined: Jan 19, 2011)

Posted at 10:15 pm on Nov 15, 2022
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Polls did NOT show a red wave. The margin of error was pretty big. Only a 57% chance of winning

Author: Shadow_of_the_Dome (4605 Posts - Original UHND Member)

Posted at 12:25 am on Nov 15, 2022
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both houses. (A little better than a coin flip.)

Link: https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/2022-election-forecast/

Thread Level: 4

So all the media from both sides were reporting a Red Wave against the polls.

Author: ELP (9323 Posts - Joined: Oct 18, 2020)

Posted at 8:41 am on Nov 15, 2022
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There are all kinds of articles and opinion pieces on why the polls were wrong in predicting a red wave.

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I understand that but it's the flip-flop that is striking. We have 2 years to go...so.

Author: fredyo (12582 Posts - Joined: Sep 7, 2009)

Posted at 11:06 pm on Nov 14, 2022
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