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Historian Alexander Tytler's Cycle of Democracy and why ours cannot continue to exist

Author: lmcdonald (1276 Posts - Joined: Sep 9, 2020)

Posted at 3:17 pm on Nov 15, 2022
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Where do you think America is in Tytler's Cycle? Somewhere between Apathy and Dependence or worse?

Link: https://www.goodreads.com/quotes/108530-a-democracy-cannot-exist-as-a-permanent-form-of-government

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How can a democracy survive without borders?

Author: Curly1918 (16491 Posts - Joined: Aug 30, 2017)

Posted at 5:11 pm on Nov 15, 2022
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Every Constitution in the world is based of the concept of citizens. If a country simply allows immigrants to enter freely and then vote in its elections… why not just have a world government? What could go wrong?

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for sure they vote, what is stop them

Author: Hank the Tank (9413 Posts - Original UHND Member)

Posted at 1:39 pm on Nov 16, 2022
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A much better book about why democracy can continue to exist if the people want it to

Author: Chris94 (36788 Posts - Original UHND Member)

Posted at 3:39 pm on Nov 15, 2022
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Link: https://www.amazon.com/Capitalism-Democracy-Ralphs-Pretty-Grocery/dp/0691090823

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How much corruption does the author say we need to accept to continue a "democracy?"

Author: NedoftheHill (44729 Posts - Joined: Jun 29, 2011)

Posted at 6:02 pm on Nov 15, 2022
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Did you get a chance to watch the video posted a day or so ago about the "money primary" which is before the party primary, which in turn is before the main election?...and how it compares to the Hong Kong system in which .02% of the population picks the candidates, so the democracy is really not a choice, because regardless, the winner of the election will look out for the interest of the .02%.

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Evil preaches tolerance until it is dominant, then it tries to silence good.
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When you consider that video you understand even more why Trump is painted as he is.

Author: wrdomerson (2265 Posts - Original UHND Member)

Posted at 9:33 am on Nov 16, 2022
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He did not need the money primary to win. Not that he didn't raise funds or have people with interest, but he did not need that primary in order to be a candidate, and therefore he was a threat to the system. Not to democracy as they would like you to believe, but to how the system is gamed prior to the vote of the citizens.

The Sheeple will now regurgitate all the "facts" they have found out about him and how terrible a person he is, even though I can't stand Trump as a person.


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I know you guys would rather jettison democracy.

Author: Chris94 (36788 Posts - Original UHND Member)

Posted at 7:16 pm on Nov 15, 2022
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We have all seen lots of people ready to overthrow the system in the last few years. It's depressing how many of you have found a way to oppose democracy.

You'd be perfectly happy getting rid of all trappings of democracy. We get it.


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Obviously you "know" some very incorrect things. I would like to have a democratic republic.

Author: NedoftheHill (44729 Posts - Joined: Jun 29, 2011)

Posted at 10:29 pm on Nov 15, 2022
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I would not jettison it. And, I would not pretend it has not been, and will never be jettisoned. Pretending is anathema to democracy. I would rather acknowledge reality.

You know it cannot be maintained forever. So, I wonder why you want others to believe it can be maintained forever? Perhaps, because you are one of the Tweeds.


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Evil preaches tolerance until it is dominant, then it tries to silence good.
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I took Ned's post to mean we don't really have democracy now, more like an illusion of democracy.

Author: iairishcheeks (27329 Posts - Original UHND Member)

Posted at 8:47 pm on Nov 15, 2022
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And I agree with him.

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I would agree with that.

Author: NedoftheHill (44729 Posts - Joined: Jun 29, 2011)

Posted at 10:28 pm on Nov 15, 2022
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Evil preaches tolerance until it is dominant, then it tries to silence good.
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Making you a nutjob like Ned.

Author: conorlarkin (21068 Posts - Original UHND Member)

Posted at 8:58 pm on Nov 15, 2022
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The American Dream belongs to all of us. — Kamala Harris
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You must be a Tweedist.

Author: NedoftheHill (44729 Posts - Joined: Jun 29, 2011)

Posted at 10:46 pm on Nov 15, 2022
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Evil preaches tolerance until it is dominant, then it tries to silence good.
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We're a Republic. Fuck Democracy. In a democracy, the rule of majority over people prevails...

Author: fredyo (12582 Posts - Joined: Sep 7, 2009)

Posted at 4:08 pm on Nov 15, 2022
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... whereas in the case of the Republic the rule of law prevails.

In a democracy, minority rights are overridden by the majority. Conversely, Republic system protects the rights of minority groups or an individual.

The Democratic system gets finance through illegitimate taxes, fees, fines and licenses. Unlike a Republic, where legitimate taxes and fees are the rule of finance.

Democracy amounts to mobocracy which is not in the case of the Republic.


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Keep on rockin' in the free world
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How very sad.

Author: jimbasil (52703 Posts - Joined: Nov 15, 2007)

Posted at 6:47 pm on Nov 15, 2022
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Jack, he is a banker
and Jane, she is a clerk
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You have been misinformed.

Author: Chris94 (36788 Posts - Original UHND Member)

Posted at 4:18 pm on Nov 15, 2022
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We are a democratic republic.

Link: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Democratic_republic

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NOPE!...

Author: fredyo (12582 Posts - Joined: Sep 7, 2009)

Posted at 4:20 pm on Nov 15, 2022
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Link: https://keydifferences.com/difference-between-democracy-and-republic.html#:~:text=Democracy%20is%20defined%20as%20a%20political%20system%20which,of%20the%20republic%20the%20rule%20of%20law%20prevails.

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You missed the point.

Author: Chris94 (36788 Posts - Original UHND Member)

Posted at 4:23 pm on Nov 15, 2022
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It was observed 100 years ago that without slavery, Democracy is doomed...

Author: fredyo (12582 Posts - Joined: Sep 7, 2009)

Posted at 3:25 pm on Nov 15, 2022
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Alistair Cook did a month-long feature on PBS back in the 70s.

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