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"Legislator behind Florida's 'Don't Say Gay' law is accused of Covid-relief fraud"...say it ain't so

Author: TyroneIrish (20458 Posts - Joined: Oct 8, 2020)

Posted at 11:35 am on Dec 8, 2022
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from the article...
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The indictment alleges that in applications to the agency, Harding said the companies had half a dozen employees and gross revenues from the previous year totaling more than $800,000.

The companies had no employees, and state records showed they had been dormant in the months before the applications were filed, the indictment says.

..Harding's trial is scheduled to begin Jan. 11. He could face 20 years in prison for the fraud charges, 10 years for money laundering and five years for making false statement, the release says
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Have to wonder what Gov. DeSantis will have to say about this...or members of this board who not so long ago were quite upset with such shenanigans.


Link: https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/lawmaker-floridas-dont-say-gay-law-accused-covid-relief-fraud-rcna60676

Replies to: "Legislator behind Florida's 'Don't Say Gay' law is accused of Covid-relief fraud"...say it ain't so


Thread Level: 2

All scum Republicans are liars and can't be trusted.

Author: NocalIrish (1344 Posts - Joined: Aug 5, 2021)

Posted at 12:10 am on Dec 9, 2022
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Thank God for Joe Biden and the Democrats.

Thread Level: 2

Where does it say "don't say gay" in the law? Do you even know what the law says?

Author: ELP (9580 Posts - Joined: Oct 18, 2020)

Posted at 11:44 am on Dec 8, 2022
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Let's start from that premise and work our way to what your point is.

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My point is that a supposedly upstanding defender of morality is facing decades in prison for

Author: TyroneIrish (20458 Posts - Joined: Oct 8, 2020)

Posted at 1:06 pm on Dec 8, 2022
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outright fraud...thought you might pick up on that.

As to the article's mention of his signature legislative effort...check out the linked article...including this excerpt...
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The “Don’t Say Gay” law itself requires schools to create a complaint procedure through which parents may raise “concerns” about compliance with the law.
If those concerns are not resolved internally with
the school, a parent may either (i) trigger an inves- tigation by the Florida Department of Education, at the school’s expense or (ii) sue in court to obtain an injunction, damages, and/or attorney fees. As a result of the complaint process, and school districts seeking to avoid liability in court, individual educators could face serious consequences for violating the state law’s restrictions. School districts are “primarily responsible” for ensuring compliance with the law. See Fla. Stat.

§ 1008.32. A school could decide that discipline or termination is appropriate for violations of the law. The danger of enforcement against individual educators
is amplified by the fact that they enjoy relatively few job protections. For educators hired after 2011, tenure protections are nonexistent, and they can be dismissed at the end of their annual contracts without cause. Id. § 1012.335. And, while tenure protections are available for those hired before 2011, schools may still attempt to portray violations of the law as “gross insubordina- tion” or “willful neglect of duty” that would provide cause for discipline or dismissal. Id. § 1012.33.
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By any measure, this law is, to say the least, "Heavy Handed" and an open invitation to true chaos...there is no need for this law...just let educators and parents work out what is "Age Appropriate" for K-3 lesson plans and teacher training... then move on...like what is being done for other grades already across the country.

Now, back to Mr. Harding...what should Gov. DeSantis say about his indictment?


Link: https://www.nea.org/sites/default/files/2022-06/FL%20Dont%20Say%20Gay%20KYR%20-%20Updated2022.06.pdf

Thread Level: 4

As with your favorite weirdo in the DOE, we should let justice run its course.

Author: Iggle (12618 Posts - Joined: Sep 14, 2007)

Posted at 1:30 pm on Dec 8, 2022
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Thread Level: 3

Tyrone is on record as it being a civil rights issue.

Author: iairishcheeks (27174 Posts - Original UHND Member)

Posted at 12:00 pm on Dec 8, 2022
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Specifically, not being able to groom K-3 children is discrimination against LGBTQ. He doesn't see the irony in his position and isn't interested in the actual facts.

Thread Level: 4

Just knock off the "Grooming" trope...FLA has serious issues in the education arena, and the "Don't

Author: TyroneIrish (20458 Posts - Joined: Oct 8, 2020)

Posted at 2:13 pm on Dec 8, 2022
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Say Gay" law allows any parent...even just one who happens to be an "Abstinence Only" advocate...to lodge a complaint that ends up costing School Districts exorbitant amounts of legal fees, plus the possibility of good teachers losing their jobs...this is absolutely 'non-productive'.

The problem extends far beyond just the LGBTQ community.

Meanwhile...not a word of concern for the evidence of fraud presented regarding Mr. Harding's behavior...how did you miss that part?


Thread Level: 5

I don't care about Harding, not responding to that portion.

Author: iairishcheeks (27174 Posts - Original UHND Member)

Posted at 2:42 pm on Dec 8, 2022
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I understand why you're interested, but I am not.

Grooming is a real thing, and parents should have a say what their children can be taught in school, especially when it is sexual in nature. What's your problem with abstinence? I mean, it prevents the need to blame pregnancies on men...


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You clearly haven't done any research on this...this whole "Grooming" thing is pure fantasy

Author: TyroneIrish (20458 Posts - Joined: Oct 8, 2020)

Posted at 3:32 pm on Dec 8, 2022
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meant to keep folks like you up in arms. Hundreds, if not thousands of professionals who are devoted to educating kids work with parents to develop 'Age Appropriate' sex and sexuality material and lesson plans. No district does this w/o input from parents...there is no 'Evil Cabal' of sex fiends trying to lead kids astray...just stop allowing yourself to be deluded by such nonsense...

I've provided several links to both U.S. and European programs that go into detail on how such programs are developed...if you're genuinely concerned look them up, or Google it yourself.

What I'm seeing with that article I posted is someone accused of a serious lack of morality being the prime mover on a farcical political stunt (i.e "Don't Say Gay" law)...that should bother you.


Thread Level: 7

One person's opinion.

Author: iairishcheeks (27174 Posts - Original UHND Member)

Posted at 4:02 pm on Dec 8, 2022
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Link: https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2022/apr/24/public-schools-are-grooming-your-children/

Thread Level: 8

According to the link, it was an advertised event that parents could take advantage of if they so

Author: TyroneIrish (20458 Posts - Joined: Oct 8, 2020)

Posted at 5:22 pm on Dec 8, 2022
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chose...if anyone is "Grooming" it's the parents themselves...doesn't look to me that this was any surprise 'indoctrination'...surely you agree with that.

I'm not saying that there aren't others like you that get very animated at even the hint of accepting LGBTQ persons and their natural (for them) lifestyle...and even think that the sight of a drag queen is more 'infectious' than COVID...but for such folks to use heavy handed laws like that in Florida to impose their 'sensibilities' on others is flat out wrong...and quite frankly 'dangerous' to kids' healthy development.

btw, I'm a bit surprised at your position here, given your rather 'liberal' attitude toward experimental drugs...or do I have the wrong person in mind?


Link: https://go.okstate.edu/about-osu/arts-at-osu/arts-calendar.html?trumbaEmbed=view%3Devent%26eventid%3D159172221

Thread Level: 9

You are completely off base.

Author: iairishcheeks (27174 Posts - Original UHND Member)

Posted at 6:07 pm on Dec 8, 2022
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I have zero problems with LGBTQ et cetera, among consenting adults. I go to burns and have all sorts of freak friends and acquaintances, but none of them are trying to groom K-3.

Don't teach any sex ed to K-3, especially the weird stuff seems like common sense to me.


Thread Level: 10

One more time...the OSU "Drag Queen Story Hour" was a special event, advertised to parents...those

Author: TyroneIrish (20458 Posts - Joined: Oct 8, 2020)

Posted at 10:59 pm on Dec 8, 2022
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who went freely chose to be there...

As far as the much larger issue of schools teaching Sex and Sexuality...I recently spoke with a long time neighbor and friend who served on the local school board for 12 years and was elected President 3 times...this goes back a few decades, but even then, Sex Education was a focus area...for the board and every Principal. No program, lesson plan was developed and implemented without parental participation, together with expert consultation and training for teachers...in every grade.

For every class, parents had the right, if they so chose, to not have their child participate...but at no time was there a call by the local community for the cessation of these programs and the numbers of non-participants were very small...btw, this School District was and still is in the top-5 in all of CA...

My friend noted that as a board member, each year he would attend a week long meeting to go over all issues old and new that everyone needed to be well versed in, and of course, Sex Education was one of them. To be sure, not all districts embraced 'Comprehensive Sex Education' and some refused to participate...however, there is no evidence...certainly not from our own kids' experiences...that there was any harm of any kind that resulted from their elementary schooling in a district that did embrace it.

While I don't have data for teen pregnancies and STD's in our area, I do for the European countries you no doubt heard me speak of..."Comprehensive Sex Ed" works for all grades...the results are dramatically better than here in the U.S. and other countries...especially those who don't trust their teachers and refuse any outside education..(e.g. "Abstinence Only")

As the attached link shows, this issue is EXTREMELY emotional...but IMO "Education" when properly constructed and delivered, out performs "Ignorance" every time...that way, when kids encounter false or misleading information...which you know they will from all sorts of sources...they'll know what the RIGHT ANSWERS are and be prepared for it...thus they'll act in ways that protect themselves from harm...that, in my mind, is what this is all about.


Link: https://www.pewresearch.org/social-trends/2022/10/26/parents-differ-sharply-by-party-over-what-their-k-12-children-should-learn-in-school/

Thread Level: 2

Why don't you ask him yourself.

Author: fredyo (12582 Posts - Joined: Sep 7, 2009)

Posted at 11:41 am on Dec 8, 2022
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Keep on rockin' in the free world
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