A refutation of miserable lies.
Practicing Catholics matter.
The rest is utter bullshit.
The twisted and the sick serve Satan.
Link: https://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2022/05/23/like-americans-overall-catholics-vary-in-their-abortion-views-with-regular-mass-attenders-most-opposed/
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In the words of Billy Joel - Catholic girls start much too late - now we know why.
No glove, no love.
Your link shows that only 24% of "Practicing" Catholics say abortion should be illegal in all cases.
which means for those that "count" in your parlance, they believe abortion should be an option in at least some cases by a 3:1 margin...what's your response to that?
While you're pondering that fact, what do you have to say to innocent women and girls who are victims of unwanted pregnancies?...or will you continue to ignore them?
There can be no justification for killing millions for the most helpless among us..
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90% of Americans think there is, under certain circumstances...you just haven't listened to them.
The issue is "Personhood" and even the Catholic Church doesn't officially acknowledge it at conception...per Pope Francis.
I know it's hard to accept...I really do...but you need to truly listen to what the overwhelming majority in this country is saying. You should also know that virtually everyone, including myself, wants to reduce the number of abortions, as the goal of total elimination is impossible and irrational...and deeply harmful to this country.
Think about the innocent women...what do you say to them?
So you believe moral issues should be decided by Plebisite? That may be why we are so screwed up.
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....of the most helpless among us
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Your 90% stat is disproven. The vast majority abortions are not rapes.
You are a thoroughly evil person.
Good Morning, Hensou...just my opinion, but you're taking yourself way too seriously when you speak
for God...it's your belief/opinion, and that's all...I'm okay with that.
As for the 90% of all Catholics being supportive of abortion under some circumstances, I've already posted the link for that finding, which was in a Catholic media publication...so you're wrong there...also, as a "Practicing Catholic", Weekly/Daily Mass Attendee, Eucharistic Minister, Lector, Parish Leader, Diocesan Instructor, I have standing when I say that I'm in the majority of such people on this issue...i.e. the 75% of that cohort.
As for rapes...I've never said they were the primary reason for abortion...wrong again...
More on rapes however...they are forcible acts that are perpetrated by strangers, family members, dates...and even abusive husbands...furthermore, they are notoriously underreported for many reasons (shame, mental stress, family impact, etc.)...some reports put the frequency at 3X those that are reported involving strangers and dates, and only heaven knows how many cases of abusive husbands demanding their conjugal rights there are. All of these occurrences that result in obviously unwanted pregnancies represent IMO cases that the 90% (or, 24% in your calculations) deem worthy of a woman's choice for a legal abortion.
You have yet to go on record as to what you'd say to a totally innocent woman or girl whether or not you would have the state force her to carry that pregnancy to term...now is a perfect time.
If you're truly that supportive of abortion rights, then the Catholic Church isn't for you
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Not so fast...I've recently posted a statement from Pope Francis where he acknowledges that
"Personhood" is not established at conception (i.e. in his words "Debated")...this is extremely significant. The context of that statement in America Magazine speaks to the need for a "Pastoral Approach" to this issue of abortion, which IMO says that while there's no doubt that such an act will terminate a developing human life, there are circumstances in which it would be plausible...but with the proviso of consultation with the woman's "Pastor" (and I would assume Doctor as well as family/partner) before taking that option...
Note that the RCC has supported the notion of "Just Wars" in which human life will be taken (even innocent, pregnant civilians)...all for the greater good of "Freedom"...note too, that in our current situation, 'Women's Freedom' is absolutely at stake.
Please respond to the points I just made.
Simple. If you can't afford to get pregnant, don't have sex
That covers well over 90% of all abortions. The rest? Adopt the baby out. Lots of couples on long waiting lists.
Without question. Evil.
But take heart. The victory has already been won!
Consider this stat.
You are among the most consistently downvoted posters on this board.
Most are not buying your evil.
You are in no way a loyal son of Notre Dame.
Now that's funny...consider the source, Hensou...for whatever reason, we have a sizable contingent
of very conservative posters who love to push the "Downvote" button...seems quite juvenile and even"Passive/Aggressive" to me (I NEVER use it), and a bit cowardly. My preference is to state my objection directly to a poster that I disagree with, and moreover back up my opinion with relevant supportive facts that help to clarify the position I've taken. I consider that proper, and respectful, debating...sadly, I rarely, if ever get the same in return...such is life.
With that said, I honestly consider all the downvotes as testimony that I've made that cohort have to think more about their opinions and maybe even get a little uncomfortable with them...hopefully, inciting some reflection on their part...it's all good...and trust me...those DV's have zero effect on my posting or comfort level.
"Thy kingdom come, Thy Will be done".There is no mention of a popular vote by man in Christ's Prayer
God decides the rules. It is the ultimate hubris for people to think that they can tell God what is right or wrong based on what they think should be.
Let's not forget that this is not the "Catholic States of America"...there are other religions in
this country who do not share your perspective on abortion. Judaism believes that "Personhood" begins at birth...Islam believes it occurs at "Quickening"...as do Hindus and frankly a number of Protestant sects. Moreover, as I've repeatedly posted with supporting links, 90% of Americans, and even Catholics, believe that abortion should be legal in at least some cases.
You and others of like mind are free to conduct yourselves according to your beliefs...in fact you should do that...but it is the ultimate in hubris for you to force your beliefs on others in a pluralistic, democratic society...make sense to you?
It's the instruction of the Lord. The pathway is narrow. Not all will receive salvation.
Call it what you like. You will be judged accordingly.
You are infringing on the religious freedom of Jews, Muslims, Hindus and several Protestant sects...
not to mention those who don't believe in God...that's a no-no in a pluralistic democracy...whether you know it or not.
Live your life in accordance with your beliefs, so long as they don't infringe on others rights and beliefs....that's the American Way.
How? They're all free to come to Jesus. Jew, Gentile, Muslim. He calls them all.
Even you. But you're so steeped in sin, the truth has been shrouded from your eyes.
Here's more backup for how much Americans believe in the separation of Church and State...
It's nice that you are so devoted to your church...but stay in your own lane.
Link: https://www.pewresearch.org/religion/2021/10/28/in-u-s-far-more-support-than-oppose-separation-of-church-and-state/
That line of thinking won't fly...see the attached link on "Separation of Church and State"...this
is America, not the "Catholic/Christian States of America"...you can stomp your feet and get in a huff, but again, a vast majority of Americans don't want any religion to be the sole arbiter of national values.
Link: https://www.mtsu.edu/first-amendment/article/885/establishment-clause-separation-of-church-and-state
Correct. Scripture is replete with this teaching.
It's remarkable that some who went to notre dame, or someone who professes to follow Christ, isn't even passingly aware of this.
It is replete with it. But I suppose Chris feels cannibalism is fine since no mention there.
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When I put opposition to cannibalism at the center of my identity, you’ll have a point
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Meant for Baron below.
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Nor abortion
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Christ spoke of this himself. Bible also. We have been over this. And you know it.
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Nope. Not once.
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Baron, there is no way that you are the decider of what God wants...live your life according to your
own beliefs...don't impose them on others...especially when, in this pluralistic society of ours, you are in a decided minority.
That's all you P hat lefties do, impose your beliefs on others.
If you can't do it through making laws, you do it through courts, and if you can't do it through the courts, you do it through arson, riots, looting, murder, coward corporate heads, unions, Hollywood. All we want was civil unions to be recognized. All we want is legalized gay marriage. All we want is cross dressers to have whatever rights they think they don't have. All we want are children (with the help of their schools) to decide what gender they are. All we want is to be able to identify legally as some weird gender that doesn't exist in reality. All we want is adult men to use women's locker rooms. All we want is male participants to plays female sports. All we want is to take away your gas stoves, guns, religion, sports, cigars, gas cars, parental rights. No, the left doesn't impose any of their "beliefs" on anyone else. Davos was a meeting of elite "minds" that have our best interest in their glorious big hearts.
Do you have to go "Nuclear" with your grab bag of complaints to make a point?...and an erroneous one
at that. This is a democracy...hopefully, you accept that...and the will of the people is to keep the option of abortion legal. In point of fact, it is a religious minority that is trying to impose its belief on the majority...you've got reality backwards.
The points that bother you are very real and you don't like it shoved in your face.
It wasn't all that long ago that polls showed Americans against gay marriage. Polls show that Americans are firmly against late term abortion and beyond but that isn't stopping you fools from continuing your crusade against the innocent. I have never come across a male who has lost virtually all his manhood the way you have. You are supposed to be the protector as a man. I could swear you are from Hinsdale or Naperville in Illinois the way you go limp at the very thought of protecting the innocent unborn as a real man would do. For their sake, I am calling you out for what you are.
God has decided.
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Amen brother!
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