Washington Post database of police killings find 26% are of black people. Since they make up just 13% of the population, police "wrongly" kill black people disproportionately, right?
Not so fast, my friend. FBI data during that same time frame (2017-2019) show black people comprise 27% of all arrests, 37% of all violent crime arrests and 53% of all murder arrests.
Harvard professor Roland Fryer's analysis of 10 major metropolitan areas found that per police interaction, black suspects/criminals were no more likely to be killed than was a white suspect/criminal.
Three separate Washington State University studies conducted since 1977 have all found that police officers are actually less likely to shoot at a black suspect/criminal than they are a white suspect/criminal.
A joint Michigan State University/University of Maryland study showed a white police officer is no more likely to kill a black suspect/criminal than is a black police officer.
By every metric, black suspects/criminals are not being killed disproportionately. In fact, all the metrics suggest the opposite: they are killed in less proportion. So why is there a widespread belief otherwise? Because we have a compliant media that reports exclusively on what are actually statistically rare questionable killings of black suspects/criminals while ignoring those that happen to suspect/criminals of other races, especially white suspects/criminals.
I would be surprised if the data does not reflect that black motorists are disproportionately killed by police, compared to white motorists.
[I can tell you from 33 years of experience that black motorists are overwhelmingly stopped for ticky tack traffic violations compared to white motorists]
But, let’s assume that your proposition is correct, — that disproportionate police killing of black motorists is a myth. Is your point that the media has hoodwinked us again, that police killing black motorists is just another overhyped media myth?
Or is your point that police disproportionately kill more more white motorists compared to black motorists, and therefore, we need to focus on that problem?
Or is your point that police killing motorists (of all demographics) is a nuthinburger, unworthy of any media attention?
Or is your point that a motorist’s race is given undue weight in the discussion of traffic stop killings, and therefore, we should uncover the real underlying factors? If so, tell us more about the real underlying factors.
Link: https://news.yale.edu/2020/10/27/racial-disparity-police-shootings-unchanged-over-5-years
You're not interested in viewing it objectively though. You don't care that none of your data mentions how many times its black officers shooting black men. You don't care that your data doesn't contain compliance rates by race. You don't care that your data doesn't account for police contact rates.
If you were interested in that, you would not be making that stupid argument. But you're not. You're more interested in pushing an approved narrative.
Why you'd willfully choose to be a brainless pawn is beyond me.
Yet, you regard me as a “perfect troll” below.
You are such an easy mark, revealing your inferiority complex with each response.
Re this tread, see my reply to Baron below. I offer meaningful substance. You offer nothing but smack.
And I'm more than happy to offer nothing but smack to shitbags that lie and gaslight the rest of the board. I gave you all a chance, you proved that smack is all you deserve.
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Link: Sensitive Attorneys
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Which only takes into account the races of the victims and the population in general. It completely ignores behavioral differences by race - a subject I addressed in detail.
If this is the level of academia today, it's a very poor commentary on it.
Instead, it is due to a very difficult job, noncompliant suspects, and a bully mentality common to those attracted to the job.
This case is not defensible, but it also is not racial. If the officers were white, the officers would be facing hate crime charges if they weren’t convicted - 100%. These officers are not white, so they won’t. That is the sole determinant of charging a hate crime on them in Biden’s America.
It’s not “never racially motivated”, and it’s not “always racially motivated”, but at present, you dickhead liberals have the bar set at the latter…….unless it’s yourselves who do it.
It is crystal clear that a motorist’s race — color of skin — is perceived by some officers as a red flag “threat” to an officer’s safety. That is where we have seen some of these traffic stops turn unnecessarily fatal.
Like FrankL, I have consistently posted that the lack of leadership, training and poor recruitment are the main factors.
From my vantage point — where I regularly watch body cam and car camera footage re traffic stops — I have seen some top rate policing. Have also seen traffic stops based clearly upon racial profiling, but for the most part, I see well trained and highly professional policing.
It is not clear at all that black men suffer disproportionately from this. The link is a pretty even-handed look at the data.
What is clear is that this guy (and many of the other prominent victims from the last several years) would still be alive if he had simply complied with instructions. Don’t run away, don’t fight with officers, don’t put them in a situation where adrenaline is going to cloud their judgement. This is not to excuse the officers, it is simply an irrefutable observation.
This is very easy advice to give and follow. It’s a shame nobody ever seems to deliver it to the group that needs it most.
Link: https://www.manhattan-institute.org/verbruggen-fatal-police-shootings
as often (by %) as black folk? That must mean, black people who video other black people being killed by officers
are much smarter than White folk because White folks do not know how to operate the video feature on cell phones?
Because I don't see any White folks out there videoing Police killing White folk.
The Daniel Shaver video is probably the worse video I've ever seen. It's worse than George Floyd for a number of reasons...and you've never heard of this.
I hate looking at this stuff. I don't blame you for choosing not to seek it out, but this is another example of you being super confident in your understanding of the world, without having a basic level of common sense of how it actually works.
Link: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shooting_of_Daniel_Shaver
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No one said white folks aren't killed by Police or disputed the fact that police are all too often at fault
in creating the circumstances of their injuries or deaths.
For decades - even a couple of centuries, Black America have been telling stories of police brutality
and death at the hands of the police but have been unable to prove their tales. White America
said they were telling lies. They're just asking for it to stop and for truth. Suddenly along came
the cell phone and they have been documenting their stories over and over and you nutties are
still calling them liars using the background of, "well white people are also killed by these same
police". But please - post any video evidence of a White American being killed by police during
a routine traffic stop or an innocent Terry Stop.
This from the Guardian - And it took one look - not difficult to find.
"Police in the US have killed nearly 600 people during traffic stops since 2017, with the deaths continuing apace this year, a review of national police violence data shows.
The numbers add urgency to the growing push from advocates to prevent deadly stops and remove officers from traffic enforcement following the police killing of Patrick Lyoya, a Black Michigan man, earlier this month.
Encounters with police during traffic stops, including minor infractions, disproportionately harm people of color, according to data collected by Mapping Police Violence, a non-profit research group, which argues that armed police should not be involved in many of these cases.
About 10% of the roughly 1,100 people killed by police each year involve traffic violations, the group found.
“We often see the most extreme examples on the news, but this is something that happens so frequently,” said Samuel Sinyangwe, a data scientist and policy analyst who founded Mapping Police Violence.
There were 97 deadly traffic stops in 2017; 114 in 2018; 117 in 2019; 119 in 2020; 117 in 2021; and 25 so far in 2022 as of April, according to the data.
There has been renewed scrutiny of traffic stops since the 4 April killing of Lyoya, an unarmed 26-year-old in Grand Rapids, Michigan. He was shot in the back of the head after a struggle with an officer who pulled him over for having a mismatched license plate. Lyoya’s death is the most recent that has captured headlines and calls for change.
Daunte Wright, 20, was killed after being pulled over for an expired registration tag and a hanging air freshener; Sandra Bland, 28, was stopped for failing to signal; and 32-year-old Philando Castile died following a traffic stop after an officer claimed he looked like a suspect in a recent robbery, citing his “wide-set nose”.
Mapping Police Violence tracks deaths reported by government and media, and categorizes a killing as a traffic case if the encounter began with a routine stop for a traffic violation. It does not classify deaths as traffic violations if the individual was pulled over for other reasons. Black drivers make up 28% of those killed in traffic stops, while accounting for only 13% of the population. Research has consistently found that Black and brown drivers are more likely to be stopped, searched and subjected to force."
“There are millions of encounters between the police and the public because of traffic enforcement, and many result in negative experiences – people being searched, arrested, and having force used against them, Sinyangwe said.
He noted that the majority of killings by police involved either traffic stops, mental health episodes, welfare checks, nonviolent and low-level offenses or no alleged crime – all circumstances in which there should have been an alternative response to armed officers.
Some of the deadly traffic cases tracked this year include a Miami man stopped for an expired tag, a Milwaukee man accused of failing to signal and an Oregon man who allegedly failed to stop while entering a roadway from a parking lot.
In some cases, people are killed as they attempt to flee or after the stop uncovers a weapon. Police press releases often fail to disclose the reason for the stop, instead focusing on the individual’s actions once they were pulled over. The New York Times recently documented more than 400 cases over five years in which US police pulled over and killed motorists who were unarmed and not under pursuit for a violent crime.
‘We’re reducing these bad encounters’
Since George Floyd’s murder, local governments across the US have pursued reforms meant to restrict traffic stops and limit unnecessary encounters between police and motorists.
“I see no reason why somebody who has bad tags needs an armed response,” said Amity Dimock, whose son Kobe Dimock-Heisler, 21, was killed by police during a mental health crisis in Brooklyn Center, Minnesota, the same city where Wright was fatally shot. “Police are trained for combat, for adverse situations, and I think that’s where we should leave them.”
Brooklyn Center passed a resolution last year, named after Dimock-Heisler and Wright, to create an unarmed civilian division responsible for certain traffic violations and to send trained clinicians to mental health emergencies.
This study was commissioned by the NJ Attorney General. Was a couple decades ago but anecdotally, when I get passed on I-95, it's in large majority by a young black guy. So the behavior is likely still the same.
Link: https://www.manhattan-institute.org/html/profiling-myth-smashed-1513.html#:~:text=According%20to%20a%20new%20study,the%20myth%20of%20racial%20profiling.
It is without fail, those who race by me on the roads (and I’m going 10 over always) is pretty much an all white cannonball run. In fact if you have an opportunity to view clips of - road ragers, car accidents, break-checkers - in North America, you’ll see an almost 100% speeders et al are indeed White.
In my personal experience I cannot remember a black driver breaking the road rules egregiously as White’s. It’s alway the entitled white breaking the rules. This includes NJ. The Palisades for instance.
But let’s get back to the issue; Black Americans are scrutinized far more than White America especially on the road.
You really shit your pants on this one.
Google Tony Timpa, a white man killed by police much the same way George Floyd was. (I'm having trouble linking to the video from my phone).
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Or as Chris would say, Facts Matter.
Link: https://www.city-journal.org/reflections-on-race-riots-and-police
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..they are ordered to stick to the agenda.
just not news worthy.
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They start with the wrong premise and expect everyone else to start there too. The fact is, the lefties spend as much time avoiding black communities as anyone else. Check your white privilege at the door. Black city. Black officers. Black female chief. Black victim. Why were these five officers so ramped up to begin with? It was a simple traffic stop. Start there and work your way out. Experience. Age. Training. Qualifications to even enter the academy. The Chief. Qualifications. Political administrator or experienced law enforcement officer? Have serious people do the investigating. Keep black pastors and community organizers out of this. They make things worse. Much worse. As predicted and on cue, the NBA chimed in, soon to be followed by the WNBA, NFL, and Irish ladies basketball. The focus should be on these five, the Chief, the Memphis PD and the victim. Outside noise make things intolerable.
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You only know what Sharpton tells you. Everything I said is 100% true whether you like it or not.