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He said that they were a risk to spreading COVID. Now, he says that he knew all along that the vaccine could’ve prevent the spread of the pandemic, and that it has always been about reducing severity of infection. If that is the case (which good doctors have been saying all along, but now Fauci is finally forced to admit), then why tell unvaccinated people to stay away? The vax doesn’t impact spread of COVID significantly, and he says he knew it back then.
Fauci was merely dividing the public for political reasons.


Fauci is a liar. Either now, or then.


Link: https://www.businessinsider.com/fauci-avoid-unvaccinated-relatives-for-holidays-Omicron-variant-2021-12?op=1

then that mRNA..and other vaccines...would have their transmission efficacy sharply reduced. Again, the "Wild Type" version of COVID-19 was targeted by the phenomenal mRNA vaccines...and they were proven to be 95% effective against transmission of that viral 'construct'...until the virus mutated to Omicron. Good Grief...hope you don't need to renew your license for Internal Medicine since 10% of the questions involve Infectious Diseases.

You obviously don't mind embarrassing yourself with such drivel.

especially when the results prove you and the authors of thailt article wrong. All Dr. Fauci has done "wrong" is speak the truth in opposition to his Malignant Narcissist Boss, who then proceeded to unleash his abundant hate...ergo, articles like the one you cited.

I've attached a truly accurate summary of where we started with mRNA vaccines...where we are now...and where we might be in the future with a pathogen that always has the lead when it comes to changes...here are a couple of excerpts for those with short attention spans...

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Millions of people shared her impatience, for good reason: Adults who are up to date on their shots are 15 times less likely to die from Covid than those who are unvaccinated. Covid vaccines prevented more than 3.2 million deaths and 18.5 million hospitalizations in the U.S. from December 2020 through November 2022, according to an analysis published Tuesday by the Commonwealth Fund and Yale School of Public Health.
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Vaccine researchers generally agree that mRNA technology was suited to the needs of this pandemic, since it allowed scientists to develop a vaccine quickly at a time when each day meant more lives lost. Scientists then updated the shots relatively easily to target new variants.

“If it wasn’t mRNA, it wouldn’t have gotten done so fast,” said Dr. Barney Graham, former deputy director of the National Institutes of Health’s Vaccine Research Center, now a senior adviser for global health equity at Morehouse School of Medicine.
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“The mRNA technology is remarkably successful — these vaccines work better than we had the right to expect,” Frieden said. “But the virus is adapting. And as the virus adapts, we need to adapt.”
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The last excerpt summarizes the real world situation...COVID-19 ADAPTS to its environment...we can't control that...what we can do is use medical science to produce better vaccine 'designs'.


The fact that you never even tried to understand "The Science" tells me you either won't read the article or will fail to comprehend it...so, this is for all those not looking for political points...just the true facts so they can stay healthy...while also thanking their HC professionals for all the great work they do...especially, Dr. Fauci.


Link: https://www.nbcnews.com/health/health-news/two-years-covid-vaccines-rcna57902

Except in the UK, of course.

Sorry you can't see the Great Fauchino is so "honored" and "respected" because he has the wool pulled over everyone's eyes - that is, except for those of us who did our own research and used logic to see he's nothing but the emperor with no clothes.

that topic until you can get a passing grade.

As for Dr. Fauci...I have it on good authority that 9,000 Infectious Disease Specialists gave him a heartfelt round of applause at their recent gathering, with many calling him a "Superstar"...I feel safe in saying that none of them had the wool pulled over their eyes.

You soft peddled it by saying he "downplayed" the effectiveness of masks, but it was an admission none the less.

At the time Dr. Fauci made his comments about masking in the very early days of COVID (March, 2020) all the medical community had to go on regarding the new "NOVEL" virus was the previous one...i.e. SARS-CoV...which data showed did not have a SINGLE CASE reported involving ASYMPTOMATIC transmission...also at that time, the Trump administration had childishly failed to accept the Obama administration's "Pandemic Preparedness Plan"...for 3 years!...which called for replenishment of highly effective N95/KN95 masks...which hospital docs and nurses treating COVID patients obviously needed...desperately. Only a few months later, the scientific data came in to show that Asymptomatic transmission was responsible for up to 40% of cases...that was a game changer, and Dr. Fauci..."followed the science" by immediately recommending masking with whatever people had available...while waiting for sufficient quantities of N95/KN95's to be available for the public as well as the hospital personnel.

Dr. Fauci spoke the truth each time...and his "downplaying" (my words) was with knowledge that...
1) General Public use of masks was not required...
2) Critically Needed N95/KN95 masks were in very short supply for Doctors and Nurses in close contact with infected patients.
3) Any intimation by him that the public should go out and buy up all the available N95/KN95s would put those Docs and Nurses at great risk

No lies...just the truth...and wisdom in a critical situation. I've already explained this to everyone on the board, but you either missed it, or don't care about the truth.

Dr. Fauci is the LAST PERSON you should lose trust in...as 9,000 ID Specialists recently let him know.

You are trying to spin it, and you know you are trying to spin it. He doesn't get to be dishonest and then bitch about people not believing him.

If he wanted people to believe him, he should have found a way to express his concern about running out of masks without lying about their ineffectiveness.

He doesn't get to bitch about children not getting vaccinated and have people believe that he is following the science. Those are two competing things. He can't expect people to trust him if he is going to be that inconsistent.

And I don't know why you would expect anyone to trust you when you consistently try to manipulate facts. A moral lie is a lie. We can argue about whether it was truly moral, but there is no argument to be made that he wasn't dishonest.

just don't have the courage to admit you were "mistaken"...it happens, learn and move on.

You are the one who is twisting the facts.

stated this in an earlier post...
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Fauci..."followed the science" by immediately recommending masking with whatever people had available...while waiting for sufficient quantities of N95/KN95's to be available for the public as well as the hospital personnel.
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Now, add to this Baron's contribution of the memorable (maybe not by him) "MIT Report" on masking and social distancing for indoor situations...it's readily available on this board by searching under my name...but it shows clearly that even a cloth mask can have some beneficial effect on transmission...surgical masks, much more...and finally N95/KN95 masks that allow docs and nurses to work around COVID patients all day, every day (yes, for close intimate contact with infected patients, they use respirators and face shields)...and when there are no N95/KN95s available...SOMETHING IS BETTER THAN NOTHING...sadly, too many people didn't get the whole message...if you have only a cloth mask or surgical mask a) don't go into risky environments, b) if you need to go there (e.g. Safeway or CVS) keep your distance from others and don't stay long (e.g. < 30 min.)...

It's all about "Mitigation" and Risk Reduction...masks, even cloth masks, when used intelligently, play a role in reducing COVID cases...OMG, this is so simple...stop fighting the truth...listen more and post less.

He initially "downplayed" the effectiveness of masks. He later recommended mask mandates. He was dishonest about the effectiveness of masks.

qualifies as "immediate"...but feel free to quibble on that all you like...I'll just charitably describe your comments as 'mistaken'.

btw, nice try on shifting from an outright 'Lie' to a 'Moral Lie'...whatever that is ;-). You can be very entertaining.


Link: https://www.reuters.com/article/uk-factcheck-fauci-outdated-video-masks/fact-checkoutdated-video-of-fauci-saying-theres-no-reason-to-be-walking-around-with-a-mask-idUSKBN26T2TR

Especially when he'd already made a more immediate statement downplaying the effectiveness of masks. Now you're being dishonest.

Also, you're stupid if you don't understand the moral lie statement. I'd say look it up, but it doesn't require that. It's obvious what it means.

"Lie",...I've also given you an independent assessment of your original claim that repeats everything I've said and substantiates Dr. Fauci's honesty...so why are you continuing to resist the rationale that brought you to that conclusion? ...my only guess is that you don't like being proven wrong...no one does...just get over it and move on.

He was dishonest about the effectiveness of masks. That's lying. I never agreed that he didn't lie.

described several times by myself and independent assessments...and for a brief moment you allowed that truth to penetrate your 'defenses'...i.e. "downplaying" a Lie to a "Moral Lie" ;-)...just for my entertainment, please define the difference between a 'Lie' and a 'Moral Lie'...can't wait to learn a new term...please don't tuck your tail between your legs and refuse to explain your remarkable thought process.

I literally said we could debate the morality of it. I wasn't unclear. I said it was a lie in that post.

you made the distinction, not me...no need to do that if simply calling it a Lie would suffice...nice try, Jabba...but, since I've clearly shown that EVERYTHING Dr. Fauci said was true, you still lose.

btw, IMO we're coming up to the point of "Diminishing Returns" on this topic...I'm glad to have been able to set the record straight...at least for all those who deal in substantiated facts.

As an aside, I'd still like for you to define the difference between "Lie" and "Moral Lie"...you brought it up, so you should have no problem explaining the distinction.

You admitted he downplayed the effectiveness of masks. You admitted he was dishonest about the effectiveness of masks.

that's not what we're talking about here...you claimed he told what you suggested could be called a "Moral Lie" (again, definition required) in his 60 Minutes interview...tell me exactly what was untrue with anything he said to the American public in that interview...and don't put my words (downplay) in his mouth...

I don't consider it to be a moral lie. I was paraphrasing how I was interpreting your response. How many times are you going to make me explain that.

I'm also not going to revisit the discussion points from our previous discussion. You said he downplayed the effectiveness of masks. He was dishonest about the effectiveness of masks.

you...it explains everything and debunks your claim of Dr. Fauci lying...it's all there for anyone to review and reach the same conclusion...btw, I've attached a copy of the 60 Minutes interview...

>Masks were NOT needed on March 8, 2020 because there was no evidence of asymptomatic transmission...in fact, the transmission concerns were centered on 1) close contact with a symptomatic person, and 2) touching droplets of COVID and then getting them in or near your face and mouth with your hands (remember all the advice on hand washing and disinfecting of surfaces?)...that explains the "Smutch" comments in the video that argued against unnecessary mask usage...
>Masks were NEEDED by hospital Docs and Nurses because they are in close contact all day with infected patients, which Dr. Fauci spoke to...and they need the best masks available...which were in very short supply, although Dr. Fauci didn't mention that...and the reason for MY assumption that he needed to forestall unnecessary purchases of scarce high quality masks NEEDED by medical personnel...but NOT by the general public...i.e. no lie or misrepresentation of any kind...just the straight truth, with the knowledge at hand...what else could he do?

As the Reuters Fact Check shows, the situation changed on April 3, 2020...after which, the only masks that could be available were cloth masks, as the vital medical staffs needed all the N95/KN95s they could get ahold of.

There is not one "Lie" in anything he said...nor was there any intention to have the public act in a way that would cause them harm in that March 8th interview...knowing all this now, you need to stop claiming he did lie, or be branded a purposeful liar yourself. I get that you and others are on a mission to tarnish Dr. Fauci's reputation by any means possible...but others, such as myself will be there to hold you accountable. Since this side has all the facts...you're always going to lose.


Link: https://youtu.be/PRa6t_e7dgI

Fauci was dishonest about the effectiveness of masks.

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60 Minutes

required of any kind by the public since not a single SARS-CoV case (the earlier coronavirus) was transmitted by an asymptomatic person.

Note that just a month later data now showed that there were cases of asymptomatic transmission, so the CDC (and Dr. Fauci...see photo in the attached article) recommended the only masks that were available...cloth masks...so even Dr. Fauci and all others not in hospital settings were wearing 'Cloth Masks'...you recall that, don't you?...here's an excerpt from the attached article...
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As Fauci told the Washington Post here , at the beginning of the COVID-19 pandemic, masks were not recommended for the general public, as authorities were trying to prevent a mask shortage for health workers and the extent of asymptomatic spread was unknown.
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Don't try to rewrite history.


Link: https://www.reuters.com/article/uk-factcheck-fauci-outdated-video-masks/fact-checkoutdated-video-of-fauci-saying-theres-no-reason-to-be-walking-around-with-a-mask-idUSKBN26T2TR

Try to keep up.

btw, I've got data from a masking study with 350,000 participants that says 'Surgical Masks' make a definable difference in transmission...couple that with the famous MIT Report and it's understandable why cloth masks can also provide protection...but just for a shorter period of time...talking 'minutes' in a risky environment...not 'hours'.

You, and others, seem to be hung up on a need for "Perfection" and can't quite comprehend the meaning or value of "Mitigation"...it's "All or Nothing" with you...and that's harmful to you and others.

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certain circumstances 'cloth masks'?...some are definitely better than others...but that does not make cloth masks TOTALLY ineffective....in point of fact, our own CDC has recommended them in the early days of COVID, when even surgical masks were hard to find...never mind N95s. See this excerpt from the attached link...

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In an editorial published today in the Journal of the American Medical Association (JAMA), CDC reviewed the latest science and affirms that cloth face coverings are a critical tool in the fight against COVID-19 that could reduce the spread of the disease, particularly when used universally within communities. There is increasing evidence that cloth face coverings help prevent people who have COVID-19 from spreading the virus to others.
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Walk away if you want, but I've just given the viewing audience the facts on this matter.


Link: https://www.cdc.gov/media/releases/2020/p0714-americans-to-wear-masks.html

...shows that you got nothing. You are making shit up. That's why I accepted your surrender.

The virus sails through the gigantic gaps in fabric like they it isn't even there. It was completely useless to wear them, and Fauci knew that, and the CDC knew that. And they both lied about it.

didn't read the CDC notice on 'Cloth Masks' that I gave you...so I'll spoon feed you some of the material...

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This review included two case studies out today, one from JAMA, showing that adherence to universal masking policies reduced SARS-CoV-2 transmission within a Boston hospital system, and one from CDC’s Morbidity and Mortality Weekly Report (MMWR), showing that wearing a mask prevented the spread of infection from two hair stylists to their customers in Missouri.

Additional data in today’s MMWR showed that immediately after the White House Coronavirus Task Force and CDC advised Americans to wear CLOTH FACE COVERINGS when leaving home, the proportion of U.S. adults who chose to do so increased, with 3 in 4 reporting they had adopted the recommendation in a national internet survey.

The results of the Missouri case study provide further evidence on the benefits of wearing a cloth face covering. The investigation focused on two hair stylists — infected with and having symptoms of COVID-19 — whose salon policy followed a local ordinance requiring cloth face coverings for all employees and patrons. The investigators found that none of the stylists’ 139 clients or secondary contacts became ill, and all 67 clients who volunteered to be tested showed no sign of infection.

The finding adds to a growing body of evidence that CLOTH FACE COVERINGS provide source control – that is, they HELP PREVENT THE PERSON WEARING THE MASK FROM SPREADING COVID-19 TO OTHERS. The MAIN PROTECTION INDIVIDUALS GAIN FROM MASKING occurs when OTHERS IN THEIR COMMUNITIES ALSO WEAR FACE COVERINGS. (emphasis mine)
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Here's another problem you share with the anti-maskers (and anti-vaxers..etc.)...you ONLY THINK OF YOURSELF...and not at all about the others near you, much less the whole community. Yes, the cloth masks have much larger openings...BUT, they absolutely reduce the volume and distance that viral loads of COVID-19 can travel (there are videos to prove it)...that's very important in reducing the spread of the disease...this seems to be a shared malady for conservatives...only concerns are for them...none for others...pretty sad, but true.

Really? That's what you are hanging your belief system on?

Lol! As Mick said to Rocky, "Stay down!" You are out for the count, mate.

hair salon...you also missed the 139 clients and 67 testing volunteers who didn't come down with COVID when exposed by the infected stylist over 8 days...

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The investigators found that none of the stylists’ 139 clients or secondary contacts became ill, and all 67 clients who volunteered to be tested showed no sign of infection.
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Man, you are really getting lazy ;-)...btw, how is another poster supposed to trust you when you pull stuff like that?

You, yourself know you are full of shit. But you keep shoveling these garbage links because you think it helps your team as if everyone here doesn't already know your game

Sad, really.

Get a life.

links...as opposed to others who also link, but rely on such sources as "The Babylon Bee" ;-)...I, and others on this board are well aware of the paucity of facts, evidence and credible references by far too many...including yourself...one of the reasons I decided to actually join in and help bring up the 'average'....get used to it.

Sorry you're so upset...maybe you'll feel better if you try to actually win a debate with me...using more than just your unsupported opinion...

He should have just been telling the truth. This eroded trust - probably permanently - in our govt medical bodies.

Worse, he prolonged misguided policies such as Shut Down far too long.

Worse than this, he knowingly implemented policies for political impact and “herd control” such as masks.

Worse yet, he appears to have acted in the best interests of China by denying the real source of COVID, and he directly contributed to the very Gain of Function practices that led to the creation of the virus in Wuhan….and then tried to cover it up. He also supported the drug industry unfailingly.

He now tries to save face on the other side of the pandemic as the evidence mounts against his statements and claims during the pandemic.

He has earned a special place all his own as an example of dishonest doctor who places politics and self glorification above patient care. He has harmed more people world wide than any doctor in history.

benefit of first hand consultation with Infectious Disease and Pulmonary/Critical Care (ICU) physicians...Docs who have distinguished themselves in those fields long before COVID became part of our vernacular...and they haven't changed one iota...neither has Dr. Fauci. All you do is Project your false, fraudulent and politically motivated garbage onto proven practitioners...the only question is "Why?"...

It would be amazing that someone could take that away from the article…except that of course that’s how you read it.

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Do we really need him to admit he wasn't following the science? He was still advocating for children to get vaccinated, even after we discovered that the vaccines don't stop the spread of Covid. He admitted it without ever having to admit it.

More accurately that is a lot of projection from you.

To find two examples of Chris inaccurately misinterpreting something someone has said. Are you legitimately this dense or are you just being dishonest again?

Link: https://forum.uhnd.com/forum/index.php?action=display&forumid=2&msgid=119090

poor interpretations of fact. Known as, alternative facts.

Thanks for the morning laugh.

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It was to protect against the worst outcomes.

You know, for a guy who likes to judge everyone’s intelligence all the time, you’re sorta a dumbass. And a jackass.

Ass being the common element.

Jobs were lost, careers were ruined, and families were kept apart because of amplified messaging over the "selfish" people who "wouldn't protect friends, families, and co-workers."

If the vaccine had simply been offered and everyone encouraged to get it for their own health, things would have been far different. Instead, it's turned into another ugly political hot button.

The viral load was substantially lower in those who were vaccinated.

And the vaccine mandates ruined no careers. People in positions that mandated the vaccine who didn't get it ruined their own careers.

Long after these vaccines no longer prevented spread.

You’re statement here is true, but you’re lying through your teeth that you always knew it to be the case.

You supported people losing their jobs if they didn’t get the vaccine….that is irresistible coercion for most families and thus forced.

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You're a joke.

You are a lying plague rat. Also, what was that thing you were saying about civility earlier?

he was celebrating while banging their wives as they died.

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If people die from clotting no problem, right.?

They didn't say that until it became clear to everyone that it was the case. The implication of this paper is that Fauci knew this all along. That there was no hope of stopping the spread with the vaccine. If that is the case, we were all lied to. Fauci has already admitted to other "Noble Lies".

Another implication is that the push to vaccinate uncompromised 5-year-olds was absolutely unnecessary and probably did more harm than good...ditto anyone else at low risk of serious disease.

I wish there were some method of getting to the truth to avoid these kinds of mistakes in the future. Unfortunately, a level-headed review of what happened will never occur.

And this after Biden pushed the narrative that we shouldn't trust the vaccines during the campaign.

And Fauci has also admitted to changing the threshold for "herd immunity" thinking he could manipulate the public into getting vaxxed. But it backfired, which is the problem, some people decided this Fauci guy is lying to us.

It was supposed to a dark winter of death for the unvaccinated. Also, this was a "pandemic of the unvaccinated". All things said by our so called leader. Phrases yelled from the Ivory Towers of the Idiots.

The vast majority of children did not need to get vaccinated. Democrats who advocated for vaccinations on children were not following the science. There is no further reasonable debate to be had on that point.

The second best way to protect against the worst outcomes was to not be fat. Of course, there is no money to be made by encouraging a healthy lifestyle.

If Fauci was following the science, those would have been the first two things he would have said when discussing protection against the worst outcomes of Covid.

You are misrepresenting the truth...again.

Was over 60% obese or over weight.

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about as much as Chris but yet he continues to act like the smartest person in the room. It's quite comical.

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Link: https://www.cell.com/cell-host-microbe/fulltext/S1931-3128(22)00572-8