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Dr. Judith Curry speaks on "climate change." Her message? "Don't worry"

Author: MarkHarman (7300 Posts - Original UHND Member)

Posted at 8:15 am on Feb 11, 2023
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You can't say she doesn't know the science. She is extremely accomplished and knowledgeable. This video is over 90 minutes long, so I'll summarize:

- The data mainstream climate scientists are using are correct, but their interpretations rely on too many assumptions and outright false ones.

- For years, a false assumption of ever-increasing emissions which Curry labeled extremely implausible (to the point of being virtually impossible) was used to form the models. Although models are starting to correct for this false assumption, this mindset pervades to this day.

- The models have a range of outcomes, which the media (predictably) and others at the IPCC always promote the worst-case scenarios.

- At least in North America, the 30-year period from roughly 1930 to 1960 showed worse weather than we have currently.

- There's too much variability in ocean currents, cloud formations (natural happenings), etc., to reliably state recent warming trends are due to CO2, which leads to...

- The earth has greened by 15% over the past two decades, meaning greater crop production and yields. Other positive factors of a warming earth are also ignored.

- Michael Mann's "hockey stick" graph was dishonestly graphed to look worse than things really are, which the media latched on to.

- Curry believes the climate is not nearly as sensitive to CO2 as the modelers are saying.

- Looking at the models objectively, Curry believes there is a decent chance the earth will see a period of cooling over the next 30 years.

- Projecting 50 years into the future, like Richard Lindzen, she believes the earth will be no worse off than it is now.

- Shutting down fossil fuel production and usage will cripple developing nations that need this technology to develop.

- The "scientific" community, it seems, is liable to the same human foibles as any other human being - intimidation, harassment, moral outrage instead of "following the science."

As to the last point, she left Georgia Tech in 2017 because of those factors. But prior to leaving Tech, she founded a business forecasting weather and climate models that many industries depend on, and they pay her for her expertise. And these are not fringe companies.


Link: Dr. Judith Curry - voice of reason

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Mark...i found the video that explains why HCQ doesn't work...let me know if you have questions...

Author: TyroneIrish (20665 Posts - Joined: Oct 8, 2020)

Posted at 4:41 pm on Feb 11, 2023
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feel free to pass it along to Dr. Risch for his comments....




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Here's the big flaw with this presentation

Author: MarkHarman (7300 Posts - Original UHND Member)

Posted at 6:48 pm on Feb 11, 2023
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The video deals with the ability for HCQ to stop or slow viral replication. Advocates already know HCQ doesn't do this. That's why it needs to be combined with zinc and azithromycin. The video does not address that.

Thread Level: 4

Mark, neither zinc, nor azithromycin (an antibiotic) can stop COVID-19 from entering lung cells...

Author: TyroneIrish (20665 Posts - Joined: Oct 8, 2020)

Posted at 1:17 am on Feb 12, 2023
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watch the video again...it's the TMPRSS2 protein entry point that's the problem...the data shown in the graphs make it clear...HCQ can't stop viral infection and spreading in human lung cells because of TMPRSS2. HCQ was only tested "In Vitro" on 'Kidney Cells' that don't contain TMPRSS2...so if you want to protect kidneys, maybe that drug is okay, but if you want to keep people off ventilators and dying, it won't help at all...sorry to break this to you.

Oh, and btw, when it comes to a comparison with PAXLOVID, that drug messes up the RNA 'snipping'...essential for spreading... and also has an additional drug to keep that function going much longer...again, proven to be a great drug...HCQ isn't even in the same league...I'm sure I can find the video on that one if you'd like.

Show the video to Dr. Risch...tell me what he has to say about it.

Bottom Line: HCQ...CAN'T WORK against COVID-19...it doesn't have the means of protecting human lung cells.


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Ty, I don't know how to say this diplomatically, but I'll try

Author: MarkHarman (7300 Posts - Original UHND Member)

Posted at 8:01 am on Feb 12, 2023
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Look. I'll be the first to tell you I don't understand the science behind this. But Dr. Risch does, and I'm sure he can interpret the video. Maybe I'll write him about it. I do know Dr. Zelenko described HCQ as the means for zinc and azithromycin to get into the cells.

Edit: I'm not sure YOU understand the science, either. After reading the study you're referring to, it says, "a combination of hydroxychloroquine and a clinically-tested TMPRSS2 inhibitor prevents SARS-CoV-2 infection more potently than either drug alone." THAT'S what HCQ+ experts have been saying all along. Edit done.

But here's what YOU'RE not getting. Dr. Risch has spent countless hours studying this subject and has seen study after study after study showing this works. He obviously knows what's in the video. He has ZERO financial interest in promoting this treatment. If you would bother to read his damn paper, you just might learn something.

The fact that I have about every time looked at every link you put up and to my knowledge, to this day you still refuse to read Dr. Risch's paper, tells me you're just not honest. And others have called you out for this, too. Until you read Dr. Risch's paper, we have nothing further to discuss because you're simply not knowledgeable enough on the subject. Here, let me make it easy for you:

https://earlycovidcare.org/wp-content/uploads/2021/09/Evidence-Brief-Risch-v6.pdf

https://earlycovidcare.org/wp-content/uploads/2021/09/Evidence-Brief-Risch-v6.pdf

https://earlycovidcare.org/wp-content/uploads/2021/09/Evidence-Brief-Risch-v6.pdf

https://earlycovidcare.org/wp-content/uploads/2021/09/Evidence-Brief-Risch-v6.pdf


Link: Dr. Risch Evidence Brief

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IMO, the only reason Dr. Risch and the "Frontline Doctors" are still pushing this is $$$$ (see link)

Author: TyroneIrish (20665 Posts - Joined: Oct 8, 2020)

Posted at 10:53 am on Feb 12, 2023
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they're preying on those who are unable to discern fact from fiction...and are easily swayed due to political leanings...and a prime example is Stella Immanuel (see below).

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stella_Immanuel

From your response, you either couldn't, or wouldn't try to understand the very well presented science in the video behind why HCQ can't help against COVID-19...that's very surprising for someone with a degree in Math...

Note that as much time as Dr. Risch has spent, thousands of other scientists and doctors have done more...there have been well over 200 studies on this, so the onus is on the proponents to provide evidence it works...and they haven't...the objections to HCQ are very clear...all Dr. Risch and Friends need to do, is convince supporters to "Go Fund Me" trials that address them...they haven't...instead, they pocket cash for themselves off of folks like you.

btw, if you've read all my posts refusing to read Dr. Risch's paper, you should start to believe I mean what I say ;-).

As much as I have a soft spot for you, I care more about the country's health.


Link: https://www.fiercehealthcare.com/practices/right-wing-physicians-profit-off-fake-covid-19-treatment-new-data-finds

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Sigh. Let me educate you once again

Author: MarkHarman (7300 Posts - Original UHND Member)

Posted at 3:03 pm on Feb 12, 2023
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Okay. Not ONE study you mention used HCQ+ the way it's supposed to be used: on vulnerable demographics given the drug combo within 5 days of symptom onset. Repeat - NOT ONE. And there is NOT ONE RCT showing the drug combo to be ineffective the way it's supposed to be used.

The link you put up I easily refuted because it confirmed HCQ by itself didn't work. We already knew that.

I don't know why it's so hard for you to understand basic logic on this. Not one study you cite has any relevance to the way it's supposed to be used. Not one. And had you bothered to educate yourself by reading Dr. Risch's paper, you would know that.


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Who’s fault is it that after >200 studies HCQ hasn’t been appropriately tested?

Author: TyroneIrish (20665 Posts - Joined: Oct 8, 2020)

Posted at 5:39 pm on Feb 12, 2023
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It’s been over 2years…why haven’t Dr.Risch, et al taken care of that gap?…

That question is solely for you…the rest of the world moved on long ago.


Thread Level: 9

Don't you at least find it curious that

Author: MarkHarman (7300 Posts - Original UHND Member)

Posted at 8:22 pm on Feb 12, 2023
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there's not one study - repeat, NOT ONE STUDY - showing it doesn't work the way advocates say it's supposed to be used...but the "consensus" (i.e., Fauci) still says it doesn't work at all?

I've gone over this time after time, trying to summarize Dr. Risch's paper that for absolutely bizarre reasons you refuse to read. It is THE definitive paper on HCQ+ studies. The fact that you refuse to read the paper is actually beyond bizarre. Until you read the paper, you really aren't informed enough to have any sort of valid view on this.


Thread Level: 10

Look, I've given you plenty of attention wrt HCQ...you know that...I've tried to help you reach the

Author: TyroneIrish (20665 Posts - Joined: Oct 8, 2020)

Posted at 1:27 am on Feb 13, 2023
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conclusion that all of the world's health organizations and their scientists have...it doesn't help treat or prevent COVID-19...you don't agree...so it's proper to say this conversation is over. Frankly, the video I provided was not just for you, but for anyone who might still have questions about HCQ, and I wanted them to understand the cellular science that proves HCQ has a fundamental flaw (i.e. inability of stop COVID entry through the TMPRSS2 pathway).

See you on another thread/topic...


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You didn't even understand properly the video you put up

Author: MarkHarman (7300 Posts - Original UHND Member)

Posted at 8:54 pm on Feb 13, 2023
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HCQ needs to be combined with another drug to make it effective and bypass TMPRSS2. Your own study says this. But you claim it doesn't.

And the world's "best" health organizations and scientists did not properly do their research on this and if you had read Dr. Risch's paper, you would know that.

Here's what you can't get around: Not a single RCT exists showing HCQ+ to be ineffective using it on vulnerable populations given the drug combo within 5 days of symptom onset. Repeat - not one.

Finally, here's the bottom line. You simply lack any sort of logical ability at all. You do. No wonder you can't understand basic logic on this. You might be a great guy in person, but your lack of logical ability, while frustrating to me, isn't my problem.


Thread Level: 3

Start yr own thread, loser

Author: ColeyO (12511 Posts - Original UHND Member)

Posted at 4:43 pm on Feb 11, 2023
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'The Earth' doesn't need to worry, but humans do, since all their societies will be impacted in ways

Author: TyroneIrish (20665 Posts - Joined: Oct 8, 2020)

Posted at 3:43 pm on Feb 11, 2023
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that will be very difficult to adapt to, in a very short period of time. We've never been through such a change in CO2 concentration...we're at 416 ppm now and over the last 800,000 years it's never been higher than 300 ppm..and we're adding over 2 ppm every year...so, we can't possibly predict accurately what the outcomes will be...but from a 'stratospheric' view, with everyone, including Dr. Curry, agreeing that CO2 is a "Greenhouse Gas"...BIG...and unnecessary...changes are coming...time to take action when we'll be able to get our Heat and Power from sources other than Fossil Fuels.

Link: https://www.climate.gov/news-features/understanding-climate/climate-change-atmospheric-carbon-dioxide

Thread Level: 2

Activate cancellation….now

Author: WestCoastIrishFan (16218 Posts - Original UHND Member)

Posted at 8:55 am on Feb 11, 2023
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