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Is Silicon Valley Bank the canary in the economy’s coal mine?

Author: Curly1918 (16437 Posts - Joined: Aug 30, 2017)

Posted at 7:26 pm on Mar 10, 2023
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Someone shook our techno-elites’ piggy bank and it was empty

Link: https://www.cnbc.com/2023/03/10/silicon-valley-bank-is-shut-down-by-regulators-fdic-to-protect-insured-deposits.html

Replies to: Is Silicon Valley Bank the canary in the economy’s coal mine?


Thread Level: 2

It's causing some rumbles. I got a call from my advisor.

Author: BaronVonZemo (59849 Posts - Joined: Nov 19, 2010)

Posted at 10:59 pm on Mar 10, 2023
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Thread Level: 3

Makes you wonder if the non-committed cash-like stuff should be moved to an insured account.

Author: NedoftheHill (44646 Posts - Joined: Jun 29, 2011)

Posted at 12:35 am on Mar 11, 2023
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Evil preaches tolerance until it is dominant, then it tries to silence good.
Thread Level: 4

Cash, yes. But the securities seem to be the issue.

Author: BaronVonZemo (59849 Posts - Joined: Nov 19, 2010)

Posted at 8:56 am on Mar 11, 2023
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The cash can be distributed to various participating banks if someone need sit.
But the investments (which are almost always the much larger bulk of the money as well) is ocnsidered part of that total SIPC insured coverage. You can't shift around investments like that. You also can't insure it adequately as a brokerage. You might have an impressive sounding insurance policy with Lloyds of London, but when you compare it to the massive trillions in some of these brokerages and the fact that the insurance coverage is split amongst all investors....it isn't really mush coverage at all.


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Hopefully not. It was a bit of a special case.

Author: Iggle (12614 Posts - Joined: Sep 14, 2007)

Posted at 8:09 pm on Mar 10, 2023
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They catered to startups who has been flush with cash and didn't require loans. They made the mistake of buying long term treasuries and agency mortgages with the deposit money since they didn't have a large corporate loan portfolio.

This caused a serious mismatch between demand deposits and long term bonds. As interest rates rose, the value of their assets went down. Meanwhile, the spigot of cash for startups turned off, so all the tech bros started burning through their cash. When demand for return of the deposits occurred, they were in the bad position of needing to sell those assets.

This caused serious losses to the point that assets no longer covered liabilities (deposits).

It was a weird bank that didn't do what most banks do because of their target market. Hopefully won't mean large contagion risk. Although Mr Market is going to take a run at SBNY next week.


Thread Level: 3

Looks like you finally read the article I posted…your summary is correct.

Author: TyroneIrish (20400 Posts - Joined: Oct 8, 2020)

Posted at 9:14 pm on Mar 10, 2023
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Thread Level: 4

Mate, if you think I read cnn for financial news you are mistaken

Author: Iggle (12614 Posts - Joined: Sep 14, 2007)

Posted at 3:40 am on Mar 11, 2023
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They're a small bank that made some bad choices...enhanced by internet calls for customers to

Author: TyroneIrish (20400 Posts - Joined: Oct 8, 2020)

Posted at 7:55 pm on Mar 10, 2023
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withdraw funds immediately....

Link: https://www.cnn.com/2023/03/10/investing/svb-bank/index.html

Thread Level: 3

This is the 16th largest bank in the US…

Author: Domer From Hell (16295 Posts - Original UHND Member)

Posted at 12:13 am on Mar 11, 2023
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Not small and it’s a lot more complicated than just withdrawing funds when a bank is in FDIC receivership. The last thing the FDIC wants is an all out run.

We're all born bald baby!
Thread Level: 4

Yes and Tyrone says it's a small Bank. Ridiculous

Author: lmcdonald (1274 Posts - Joined: Sep 9, 2020)

Posted at 3:33 pm on Mar 11, 2023
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They're not small. Second largest failure ever.

Author: Iggle (12614 Posts - Joined: Sep 14, 2007)

Posted at 8:10 pm on Mar 10, 2023
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Thread Level: 4

Correct. 18th largest Bank in The USA. Not small at all.

Author: Hensou (8157 Posts - Joined: Dec 21, 2022)

Posted at 9:13 pm on Mar 10, 2023
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Thread Level: 5

'Small' as in 'Niche'...their clientele is very limited...lot's of money, but not affecting many

Author: TyroneIrish (20400 Posts - Joined: Oct 8, 2020)

Posted at 9:48 pm on Mar 10, 2023
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people...definitely affecting only 1%ers and above, i.e. folks who won't be destitute as a result of this failure....as opposed to vast swaths of American financial interests with mortgages in 2008.

Perhaps the investors in SVB will learn how to better recognize and deal with risk...


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Thread Level: 4

Read the article...btw, how was the flight?

Author: TyroneIrish (20400 Posts - Joined: Oct 8, 2020)

Posted at 8:57 pm on Mar 10, 2023
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