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An interesting perspective on U.S. Debt during Biden's first term...

Author: TyroneIrish (19717 Posts - Joined: Oct 8, 2020)

Posted at 12:43 pm on May 28, 2023
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...while national debt is a constant concern, the trend during the last 2+ years is headed in the right direction.

Link: https://www.ceicdata.com/en/indicator/united-states/government-debt--of-nominal-gdp

https://www.ceicdata.com/en/indicator/united-states/government-debt--of-nominal-gdp

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A deceiving perspective. Using 4.6 trillion covid relief spending of 2020-21 as baseline, any debt

Author: Eli (9473 Posts - Original UHND Member)

Posted at 2:46 pm on May 28, 2023
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increase after 2020, if not exceeding 4.6 trillion, will be viewed by fools as trend in right direction.

Put it into perspective of your everyday life, assuming you are a middle class household like millions of others. You bought a new house in 2020 with a loan of $ 1 million. In 2021 you add 500k more debts from buying luxury cars and jeweleries and in 2022 you added another 300k more debts from luxury vacations and home remodeling. You must think your debts trend of 2020-2022 is in right direction. LOL.


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Your use of basic math is racist.

Author: Curly1918 (16165 Posts - Joined: Aug 30, 2017)

Posted at 6:39 pm on May 28, 2023
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Good stuff, Tyrone. A pox on the GOP House for threatening to sabotage our economy.

Author: conorlarkin (20764 Posts - Original UHND Member)

Posted at 1:47 pm on May 28, 2023
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Their oaths of office are meaningless to them. Zero integrity. Zero honor.

From today's Washington Post:

Finally, President Biden and House Speaker Kevin McCarthy (R-Calif.) have reached a deal to avert an embarrassing — and potentially disastrous — U.S. default. It’s hard to view this as a celebratory moment given how close the nation came to being unable to pay its obligations to investors, the military, hospitals and more. But there’s relief that the worst-case scenario has been avoided and that there is still some possibility for bipartisanship in U.S. politics. That is a low bar, but Mr. Biden and Mr. McCarthy cleared it.

The agreement “in principle” still has to pass Congress this week, which is not a given, especially in the House where far-right members are already bashing it. The June 5 deadline for default leaves little room for antics.

If this passes, the nation won’t face another debt limit crisis until 2025. The basics of the deal appear sensible, and most Americans will probably approve of them.

It imposes spending caps, but they are not onerous, as the cuts in the initial House Republican bill were. After several years of discretionary budget increases, this will force what is essentially a two-year pause at most federal agencies. Unspent coronavirus funds will also be clawed back — a reasonable compromise that this Editorial Board had advocated in recent weeks. The deal avoids the mistake the Obama-Biden White House made in 2011 when it agreed to caps for a decade that slowed the recovery and hampered its ability to do much in its second term.

If any sort of political center still exists in Washington, the tentative deal is about as close as it comes to finding it. Both sides got some of what they wanted: Republicans achieved some cuts, including to Internal Revenue Service funding, and Democrats preserved spending on important domestic programs from the environment to education at about current levels. Even on contentious issues such as tying work requirements to government assistance, Mr. Biden and Mr. McCarthy appear to have taken the least controversial route, which is increasing them for older food stamp recipients with no children.


What should not happen now is for Americans to breathe a sigh of relief and move on. Yes, a last-minute compromise occurred, but a dangerous precedent has been set. House Republicans have now used the debt limit twice to create a hostage-like situation that brings the nation close to an unthinkable default. Expect that a future Republican Congress would be willing to go over the cliff to extract more.

The debt limit itself needs to be scrapped. Enacted in World War I, it was created so Congress would not have to keep approving debt issuances. A century ago, the limit was set high to avoid hitting it. Over time, the debt ceiling took on a different role as a useful check on bipartisan spending largesse. It played a role in the 1990s in pushing lawmakers to reduce the national deficit and enact a balanced budget at the turn of the century. In recent years, as the normal budget process in Congress has broken down, the debt ceiling functioned as one of the few moments of reckoning on the increasingly alarming fiscal outlook.

But this latest deal has shown that this isn’t a substitute for coming up with an actual, forward-looking fiscal strategy. Republicans employ the debt limit to force cuts to nondefense discretionary spending, which is only about 16 percent of total government expenditures. But this slice is not a key driver of the nation’s debt problems. The refusal of either party to tackle rapidly rising Social Security, Medicare and health-care costs — along with Republicans’ opposition to any tax increases — means the debt limit isn’t forcing the tough choices that are needed.

Almost no other nation has anything like a debt ceiling because it no longer makes any sense. Congress has already approved the spending that forced the debt to rise; there should be no question, much less the possibility of an economic cataclysm, when the bills come due. Members of both parties have called for an end to the debt limit because it risks too much for the United States — and the entire global financial system, as well as the livelihoods of federal workers, veterans and businesses who need to be paid.

This crisis may pass, but 2025 is coming soon.


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Congress passed the increase.

Author: jabbadoody5 (19852 Posts - Original UHND Member)

Posted at 6:12 pm on May 28, 2023
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aka Cletus
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