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165 Democrats voted for McCarthy’s bill. Only 149 Republicans voted yes.

Author: conorlarkin (20771 Posts - Original UHND Member)

Posted at 9:45 pm on May 31, 2023
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Yes, the Republicans weaponized our nation’s obligation to pay our debts. Shameful.

Yes, the responsible party, led by President Biden, disarmed the crazies, and bailed out McCarthy from his own nutjobs.


The American Dream belongs to all of us. — Kamala Harris

Replies to: 165 Democrats voted for McCarthy’s bill. Only 149 Republicans voted yes.


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435 politicians that all couldn’t agree on something.Like that’s never happened before . I just saw

Author: MuskyTommy (3947 Posts - Joined: Feb 7, 2012)

Posted at 6:01 am on Jun 1, 2023
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a clip on Bernie Sanders and he said he’s gonna be a no.

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All Republicans are Communist scum. MAGAT's are inbred morons.

Author: NocalIrish (1344 Posts - Joined: Aug 5, 2021)

Posted at 1:02 am on Jun 1, 2023
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All Republicans are tools of Putin to attack Democracy and the USA.

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Hatred and violence comes from the Left.

Author: BaronVonZemo (58857 Posts - Joined: Nov 19, 2010)

Posted at 8:25 am on Jun 1, 2023
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Thx for the redundancy, leper.

Author: fredyo (12582 Posts - Joined: Sep 7, 2009)

Posted at 7:26 am on Jun 1, 2023
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Keep on rockin' in the free world
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He’s worse than a robo-caller.

Author: Hensou (7969 Posts - Joined: Dec 21, 2022)

Posted at 7:39 am on Jun 1, 2023
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From what I've heard, even the $10B 'Haircut' for the IRS leaves them with more than they've ever

Author: TyroneIrish (19724 Posts - Joined: Oct 8, 2020)

Posted at 12:27 am on Jun 1, 2023
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gotten before...thus able to fund staff to see that the 1%ers pay their fair share and further reduce the deficit. Biden, et al, did a masterful job negotiating with McCarthy...gave him something to crow about, but still kept their goal intact.

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Except they aren't going to actually audit the rich.

Author: jabbadoody5 (19852 Posts - Original UHND Member)

Posted at 12:38 am on Jun 1, 2023
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aka Cletus
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Auditting the rich is wasting time. They use the legal loopholes their lobbyists put in the code

Author: Curly1918 (16166 Posts - Joined: Aug 30, 2017)

Posted at 8:27 am on Jun 1, 2023
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The real payoff is in terrorizing the massive middle class into not taking any chances with their "interpretationa" of the code.

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Nothing but 'smoke' to avoid exposing what's really been going on for decades with the GOP...btw,

Author: TyroneIrish (19724 Posts - Joined: Oct 8, 2020)

Posted at 11:43 am on Jun 1, 2023
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if the GOP were truly concerned about the 'massive middle class', then why wasn't their 2017 Tax Bill Focused on the "Massive Middle Class", instead of the "Massively Wealthy Upper Class"?...think about that for a moment...the fact of the matter is that the bill was indeed a super break for the wealthiest among us and is both logical and consistent for the GOP to make sure that they get to keep as much of that largesse as possible...by dramatically defunding the IRS...oh, and then there's the political angle as well...the GOP was found to have been misusing "Non-Profit" organizations as conduits for campaign financing...this caused a huge uproar on their part with...wait for it...calls for investigations of none other than the IRS.

Tax Cheating and 'Dark Money' (see "Citizens United") have always been a staple of the GOP and "Faux" Conservatives (note DJT's "reluctance" to show his tax returns)...this is why Republicans fight so hard to eliminate any light that might shine on them...like IRS auditors.

Read the attached article for real data and analysis of what the true story is all about.


Link: https://www.propublica.org/article/how-the-irs-was-gutted

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Exactly.

Author: NedoftheHill (44317 Posts - Joined: Jun 29, 2011)

Posted at 11:04 am on Jun 1, 2023
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Evil preaches tolerance until it is dominant, then it tries to silence good.
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Yep.

Author: jabbadoody5 (19852 Posts - Original UHND Member)

Posted at 9:57 am on Jun 1, 2023
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aka Cletus
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And you know this how?...

Author: TyroneIrish (19724 Posts - Joined: Oct 8, 2020)

Posted at 12:45 am on Jun 1, 2023
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btw, as the attached article explains, the GOP has a long established campaign going to De-Fund the IRS...but it's definitely not to help someone like you...just the billionaires and corps...just look at the ONLY legislation they passed (in a "New York Minute") just after getting into the WH in 2017 and having both the House and Senate under control...it was FIRST on their agenda...and it enlarged the deficit for no good reason...times were good...that's when you're supposed to pare down the deficit...instead, the blew it up.

Ask yourself..."What has the GOP done for YOU?"...how did they make YOUR situation any better when they were in office?...Did they come up with improvements to Health Care?...a comprehensive Immigration plan that secures the border, while making sure that Iowa gets workers for their meat packing plants?...NADA...

You'll never be better off under the GOP the way it's been operating since the 1970s.


Link: https://www.propublica.org/article/how-the-irs-was-gutted

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I've already explained this. IRS agents average, at most $72k/yr.

Author: jabbadoody5 (19852 Posts - Original UHND Member)

Posted at 8:38 am on Jun 1, 2023
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It's closer to $60k in most states. The salaries max out at $120k. If you look at the proposal for this money, it's primarily to add agents, not increase salaries.

We also know that it's easy to audit the poor and the middle class. It's really hard and time consuming to audit the rich.

So you are adding agents. You're going to pay them an average of $60k. Agents +/-15 of that average aren't going to be able to audit anyone other than the poor and the middle class.

The more skilled agents will audit the rich, but they will be auditing the work of accountants that don't have to work at the IRS because they actually understand taxes and can make real money in the private sector.

Even if I am wrong, which I'm not, your belief that the rich are cheating on their taxes is wrong. Only .38% of people audited fail the audit. You aren't going to suddenly uncover millions in unrecovered taxes by auditing more people.

You need to do two things ...
1) simply the tax code
2) make those IRS agents, immigration processors and people that help people gain legal citizenship.

2 will get you your tax money, will resolve chaos, and solve your cheap labor problem (which is disgusting, you horrible racist).


aka Cletus
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You haven't explained anything, Jabba...just a bunch of assumptions and assertions with nothing to

Author: TyroneIrish (19724 Posts - Joined: Oct 8, 2020)

Posted at 11:26 am on Jun 1, 2023
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back them up...that's never going to work. What I've attached, in the 'ProPublica' article is real, substantiated evidence of what the GOP is trying to do...and why.

per that' article, the GOP has dramatically cut funding for the IRS over many years...that article is from 2018 and the situation is no better today....btw, it isn't just the super-wealthy and corporations that the IRS needs to audit, but also the GOP's misuse of tax-exempt "Non-Profits" that are a source of campaign funding..

The IRS is the agency that ensures Congressionally approved tax laws are adhered to so that our Military, FEMA, Dept. of Commerce, Health Care, Farm Aid, and other programs are funded...nothing at all wrong with that...right?

The IRS needs that increased funding...thankfully, Biden got it.


Link: https://www.propublica.org/article/how-the-irs-was-gutted

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I literally have explained it

Author: jabbadoody5 (19852 Posts - Original UHND Member)

Posted at 11:36 am on Jun 1, 2023
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How are you this dumb?

aka Cletus
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Well done.

Author: NedoftheHill (44317 Posts - Joined: Jun 29, 2011)

Posted at 11:05 am on Jun 1, 2023
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Evil preaches tolerance until it is dominant, then it tries to silence good.
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the better question is why do you want the govt in so many aspects of your life?

Author: WestCoastIrishFan (16169 Posts - Original UHND Member)

Posted at 7:25 am on Jun 1, 2023
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House leader always lets as many as possible vote against an unpopular measure-he knew the numbers.

Author: BaronVonZemo (58857 Posts - Joined: Nov 19, 2010)

Posted at 12:18 am on Jun 1, 2023
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Unfortunately, with the economy this brittle under Brandon, we had no choice.

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You're a tremendous wuss.

Author: jabbadoody5 (19852 Posts - Original UHND Member)

Posted at 11:25 pm on May 31, 2023
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aka Cletus
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Some would call that a bipartisan compromise.

Author: iairishcheeks (26731 Posts - Original UHND Member)

Posted at 10:13 pm on May 31, 2023
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How long do you plan to bitch and moan about this?

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It was a bipartisan hostage negotiation.

Author: conorlarkin (20771 Posts - Original UHND Member)

Posted at 10:19 pm on May 31, 2023
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Newsflash: McCarthy welcomed Biden’s skill set to safely land the plane.

The American Dream belongs to all of us. — Kamala Harris
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I love it when you make a complete fool of

Author: ColeyO (12435 Posts - Original UHND Member)

Posted at 10:31 pm on May 31, 2023
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Ur self under the guise of knowing something. Biden and skill can never be used in same sentence. Try again Vagina hat

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Biden was masterful in guiding McCarthy to safety.

Author: conorlarkin (20771 Posts - Original UHND Member)

Posted at 10:47 pm on May 31, 2023
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Jennifer Rubin—

President Biden’s capacity to overperform after an onslaught of negative press and Democratic hand-wringing is second to none. He did it with the Inflation Reduction Act, the Bipartisan Infrastructure Law, NATO solidification and expansion, and now with the debt ceiling deal. It’s hard to conceive of an outcome more favorable to Biden.

Recall where this began: the Republican House Freedom Caucus making promises such as repealing much of the Inflation Reduction Act (including eliminating $80 billion in new funds for the Internal Revenue Service), capping nondefense spending at fiscal 2022 levels for a decade and blocking Biden’s $400 billion proposed student debt relief. None of that happened.


When factoring in agreed-upon appropriations adjustments, the deal holds nondefense spending essentially flat in fiscal 2024 and increases it by 1 percent in fiscal 2025. According to White House aides, that’s a better outcome than a straight continuing resolution.



As for blocking $80 billion in new IRS funding — an expenditure Republicans had basically characterized as helping enlist an army of jackbooted thugs to knock down your door — the deal would repurpose $10 billion from fiscal 2024 and another $10 billion from fiscal 2025 appropriations, to be used in nondefense areas (further lessening the blow to nondefense discretionary programs).


But the IRS reportedly will have discretion to shift spending in the funding’s 10-year window so that the deal has little near-term impact. A decade from now, the country will have a new president, a new Congress and almost certainly a new budget framework.


To sum up: Biden brushed back the litany of outrageous demands, kept his spending agenda and tax increases intact and got his two-year debt limit increase. And in making a deal with House Speaker Kevin McCarthy (R-Calif.), Biden helps stoke dissension on the GOP side as the extreme MAGA wing denounces the agreement.


During the process, Democrats, as they frequently do, confused PR with substance. They fretted that McCarthy was getting more and better media coverage. They worried Biden was giving in to Freedom Caucus demands. Biden and his team understood something they did not: The momentary spin McCarthy produced is irrelevant. His right-wing crazies still hate the deal; Democrats still get the deal they wanted all along. Biden — like a prosecutor who lets his filings do the talking — lets his deals do the talking.


Moreover, Biden could not very well run to the press to tell them McCarthy wasn’t getting much of anything. The “play” here was to allow McCarthy to spin his way out of the corner that he and the Freedom Caucus had painted themselves into. Letting McCarthy boast that his great achievement was “getting Biden to negotiate” was a small price to pay for avoiding economic catastrophe and landing the best deal one could hope for in divided government.


The media coverage both during the process and after predictably took the frame of horse-race politics. Who won? Who lost? It’s hard to avoid the conclusion that Biden got a far better deal than the media expected or gave him credit for.


In underrating Biden’s accomplishments, the mainstream media is able to maintain the pretense of neutralism. And portraying McCarthy as a rational dealmaker feeds the fiction that the Republican Party is not controlled by MAGA radicals. (It very much is, which is why Democrats will need to get the bill over the finish line.) In this instance, at least, the media’s false balance probably makes it easier for McCarthy to sell his deal.


A final, critical aspect of the deal: Biden concluded the deal over a holiday weekend, when members of Congress are away, media coverage is less intense and the public is paying little attention. That gave McCarthy every opportunity to get this done before a GOP backlash built — yet more evidence of the Biden team’s savviness.


And if, after all this, the deal still blows up, there will be no question that the MAGA extremists are out to wreck the economy.


The American Dream belongs to all of us. — Kamala Harris
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Biden and masterful are a contradiction in terms;

Author: cubsfanin16 (5483 Posts - Joined: Aug 25, 2016)

Posted at 2:57 pm on Jun 1, 2023
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Should never be in same sentence..

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Jennifer Rubin? Really? Well, that settles it !!

Author: ColeyO (12435 Posts - Original UHND Member)

Posted at 11:21 pm on May 31, 2023
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A conservative political commentator throughout most of her career, until Trump.

Author: conorlarkin (20771 Posts - Original UHND Member)

Posted at 4:13 am on Jun 1, 2023
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Some conservatives are actually principled and thoughtful.

The American Dream belongs to all of us. — Kamala Harris
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But definitely not her. Do better

Author: ColeyO (12435 Posts - Original UHND Member)

Posted at 11:14 am on Jun 1, 2023
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Good thing there weren't any stairs involved.

Author: iairishcheeks (26731 Posts - Original UHND Member)

Posted at 10:59 pm on May 31, 2023
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I take it you are no where near done bitching.

Author: iairishcheeks (26731 Posts - Original UHND Member)

Posted at 10:29 pm on May 31, 2023
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That's a given.

Author: Cole (16136 Posts - Joined: Oct 15, 2012)

Posted at 3:30 am on Jun 1, 2023
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