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and anyone who watched the Tucker Carlson show featuring Mr. Murray and does not object is guilty of "Racism of the Heart" at the very least.

Link: https://www.huffpost.com/entry/tucker-carlson-charles-murray-race-iq-fox-nation_n_60caeb62e4b05fb35760481d

I also said I particularly understand how certain figures get the passions going.

It still begs the question of the current toxic nature of racial identity politics and I believe the man makes a solid point. The MAS type warriors on both sides are tearing apart the nation on this subject. Our nation from the start has been a radical experiment in an idea that no matter who you are, where you come from, your race, or your creed we all stand equally by agreeing to a set of principles and by giving the consent of the governed to the authorities. We have failed that test time and again, but we have always kept on striving. At one point the pendulum was way off for over 200 years in favor of slavery, discrimination, and segregation. To ignore or down play that is crazy. It also needed to be rectified. It’s not enough just to say in 1965 and 1968, that everyone is now equal, move on. My fear though is by letting that pendulum swing to far in favor of identity politics, we are also failing our national experiment. We further risk alienating a large swath of the populace that are decent people and want to do the right thing on race as Murray points out. We risk permanent living arrangements in a house perpetually divided against itself. As we know, that will not stand.

I should have added that caveat to my comments which were aimed at those who mindlessly took Charles Murray's 'bait' and only looked at his article as an excuse to wash their hands of any responsibility to acknowledge racial discrimination. Your own observation that opportunities for advancement by minorities really do exist is 'spot on' and should be a source of encouragement for those minorities to aggressively seek them out, as opposed to giving up hope and blaming others exclusively...a non-productive outcome for them and the country.

IMO, Charles Murray is an avatar for "Systemic Racism" who uses a few generally accepted truths to hide a malign philosophy designed to solidify White Supremacy...simple as that.

That of course has been brought home every day over the last 4 years by MAGA, culminating in their claim of a mostly peaceful busy tourist day for 1/6. Obviously and demonstrably false, but it doesn’t matter to them. In fact there is video of the tourist quote guy helping to barricade the HOR chamber.

But it’s not just MAGA. Look at Ferguson in 2014 which in my view was an inflection point in race relations in this nation. That was not a situation of a “gentle giant” with his hands up getting shot in the back. Rather it was an incident of a thug who had just robbed a convenience store, fighting a cop for his gun and then coming back at the cop and getting shot. That was a good shoot in police parlance every day of the week and twice on Sunday. Yet BLM and their supporters arranged riots all over based on a completely false narrative. Then the family gets to speak at the DNC? These are parents who were literally housing this criminal. Then POTUS comes out and sides with BLM? And you wonder why those on the far right play off outrage? It was gift wrapped for them there and gave oxygen to a half whit like Orange.

My point is that the nutties and the outrageous, fact free narratives both ways are winning. Again, not good.
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mid-1800's in England...would he use his "Bell Curve" theory to support the notion that the genetics of the Irish people were the reason they were so uneducated and unable to solve their "Famine Problem"...I really don't mean to be 'snarky' toward you...at all...but my cultural history and your reference to the Northern Irish situation caused an almost "knee jerk" reaction...

That being said, I have grave misgivings about Charles Murray as a person, and more importantly, his philosophy...(see following links)...
https://www.splcenter.org/fighting-hate/extremist-files/individual/charles-murray
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Charles_Murray_(political_scientist)

To me, he's just another "Eugenics" promoter...and that's a "show stopper". the "Bell Curve" analogy is simple observable fact...for any group of people...or the whole human race...but to slap a genetic racial label on it is not factual or logical.

Now, to the issue of "Systemic Racism", I offer the following link of an interview of Coleman Hughes by an Australian, John Anderson...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gxLJCXKT8MQ&t=180s
You need only go to the 5:50 mark and stop at 9:00...or watch the whole thing...Mr. Anderson brings up the notion of "Racism of the Heart", to which Mr. Hughes acknowledges...saying (my recollection, but verifiable in the video)..."Legalized Racism" ended in 1967, however, the more difficult challenge..."Racism of the Heart"...has yet to be resolved.

This is what I believe is today's problem...there is a significant residue in the USA of "Racism of the Heart" which all of us need to acknowledge and speak out agains...It seemed to me that you "get this" in your commentary, but I'm very much interested in your take.

Note: Both edits for spelling (my bad).

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Link: What if ...?

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Whatever the demerits or merits of the Bell Curve theory is not my point. Having said this, I above all, though do recognize the passions that certain individuals tend to excite in us. My observation is simply the man raises some strong and sensible points in this article. I would be interested in your take on what he is actually saying here, as opposed to the fact it’s being said by Charles Murray of Bell Curve fame.

I also don’t discount racism of the heart or the residual impact of past systemic racism. I think I already said that. I do stand behind my statement that I see no evidence of current systemic racism that would stand in the way of people of color achieving in this nation.

I will let you know after I watch your footage.

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As someone in a deep red state on the maps shown, all of the issues that were outlined resonate perfectly.

Picking sides (e.g., white vs. black), as the Left wants to do (to force equality of status regardless of individual performance [except for party members]--the communist/antifaschistishe model), instead of treating people as individuals as the Right wants to do (to allow equality of opportunity for any individual, regardless of race--the GOP-MLK model) will destroy the country.

Rightly or wrongly, if the Left policies start to carry the day, and government discrimination on the basis if race is actually made part of the system, non-racist whites (who will soon be part of a racial minority) will end up picking Team White because they will feel that they have to do so to protect their children from the backlash the Left is building (and that we have seen in other countries). It will be a survival instinct, as the author notes. The jungle will return. (This will be downplayed, and decried as alarmism, by people who were alarmed about the despot Trump. Will be funny to watch.)

I would obviously prefer that we not rush head long into systemic racism, but the policies of the Left are pushing us there, even if "not wittingly" (...call it the stupidity of the American voter, and all that).

And, if an American view is insufficient for you, note the fact that if the US declines, and if China can hold together, China will be the next great empire for the next century or so, and that will not be good for the world.

The left pushes this notion that America is a systemically racist nation that goes out of its way to hold people back. Utter BS. I have said this over and over, if you are a talented person of color there is no reason why you can’t make it today in America. If anything the system today will help you.

The right pushes the notion that the vestiges of systemic racism isn’t an issue at all with the black underclass, and completely ignores the historical context of black grievance. It would be like saying in N. Ireland, since the Good Friday accord we’ve all been equal so just ignore those last 300 years.

Both sides are more strident all the time. Not good.

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and I believe it. Nothing is more divisive and corrosive than Wokeist scapegoating and balkanization. And you voted for it! And now you're complaining about its deleterious effects???

Enjoy it. You really didn't think it would be this bad, did you?

But since I have you on the line, I'll make this incredibly simple: please post evidence of systematic racial discrimination occurring in 2021. Not redlining 50 years ago. Not, "There has to be discrimination today because of Jim Crow." Not anecdotal evidence or "lived experiences." Actual evidence of systematic racial discrimination occurring today. We live in a glorious age with data and facts at our fingertips. This should be very easy. Let's hear it.

I have answered this 3-4 times. I don’t believe there is systemic racism in America currently that holds back achieving minorities. Whether it’s been completely eliminated, color me skeptical, as well as being skeptical of whether past incidents of it, well into the 60’s have no bearing on the current situation. However, I have no evidence of its current existence on a systemic basis. That should hold you until yer next repetitive re ask of the same thing.

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What it means primarily is that all of the MAS type culture warriors on the left are full of shit when they claim that people of color can’t achieve due to systemic racism. Is there still some left, dunno?? I’m skeptical that it’s been completely eradicated in 50 years, but I have no evidence of its continued existence on a systemic basis. I also don’t discount that it’s past existence may be one factor in the persistence of a black underclass in this nation. However, there are far many other factors involved there as well, including persistent self destructive community behavior in that sub group.

I have said this more than a couple times in response to the Wisconsin education authority.

You'd be surprised how many people who claim to be faithless subscribe to all sorts of faith-based beliefs.

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