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Didn't realize Trump is the only NY real estate businessman ever accused of overvaluing property.

Author: NedoftheHill (45223 Posts - Joined: Jun 29, 2011)

Posted at 10:39 am on Nov 7, 2023
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That is kind of interesting.

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Evil preaches tolerance until it is dominant, then it tries to silence good.

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Repeatedly Over and Under Valuing properties hasn't been DJT's only fraud...never forget how he

Author: TyroneIrish (22072 Posts - Joined: Oct 8, 2020)

Posted at 3:15 pm on Nov 7, 2023
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treated those without the means to hold him accountable...such as the case in which The Donald purposely stiffed the architect of one of his golf course club houses...e.g.
Andrew Tesoro, owner of "Tesoro Architects"...from the attached article...
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In 2002, the Trump Organization hired Tesoro’s firm to design the Westchester golf course’s clubhouse. As Tesoro noted in a video produced by Hillary Clinton’s campaign, Donald Trump had even personally commented on and approved the design.

But when it came to payment time (a rumored $140,000), Trump’s company only offered to pay the architect $25,000. When he protested, members from Trump’s company invited him to the same building he designed and allegedly intimidated him into accepting the smaller amount.

When the architect called for a personal meeting with the Donald, the developer told Tesoro that he’d already paid all he could and that too much money had been spent on the project. Trump’s lawyer allegedly informed Tesoro that while he might win a lawsuit, he would be drowned by the legal costs relating to it, and hence Tesoro abandoned any notion of doing so.

Tesoro’s small business was virtually left bankrupt as a result, and he had to use the money set aside for his son’s college education, and most of his savings to eventually rescue his firm.


"Because I was the little guy, he was winning and wanted to keep winning, and his definition of winning is making sure the other guy loses," Tesoro says in the video. "And that way of doing business is just not very fair to the little guy."

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It's incredible that some people who consider themselves to be of high moral character...like you...defend Donald Trump...unbelievable...now listen to that "Little Guy" in his own words...




Link: https://ny.curbed.com/2016/9/27/13075816/donald-trump-golf-club-westchester-architect

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They know that there is no chance this will stand up to appeal, just costing Trump money.

Author: PaND (2979 Posts - Joined: Dec 4, 2022)

Posted at 12:45 pm on Nov 7, 2023
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Probably correct.

Author: NedoftheHill (45223 Posts - Joined: Jun 29, 2011)

Posted at 1:18 pm on Nov 7, 2023
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Prosecutor publicly stated that she went after him because of his race & sex, among other things. Just sad that Americans will engage in, and defend, such perversion of the justice system to support racism, and for preserving political power.

Evil preaches tolerance until it is dominant, then it tries to silence good.
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The media will put this in prime time, but will bury it when he wins on appeal. They can't beat him

Author: BaronVonZemo (61616 Posts - Joined: Nov 19, 2010)

Posted at 2:45 pm on Nov 7, 2023
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in an honest election and they know it. Thus, they cheat.

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As it turns out, being president raises a person's profile. I guess that is news to you.

Author: Chris94 (37460 Posts - Original UHND Member)

Posted at 12:09 pm on Nov 7, 2023
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Not for Joe Biden.

Author: Cole (16301 Posts - Joined: Oct 15, 2012)

Posted at 12:31 pm on Nov 7, 2023
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Actually it kind of did. We probably would've never know how much the big guy and his family made

Author: MuskyTommy (4035 Posts - Joined: Feb 7, 2012)

Posted at 1:25 pm on Nov 7, 2023
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millions of dollars.

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Exactly. If he’s not prez, none of that is an issue either.

Author: Frank L (64990 Posts - Joined: Sep 20, 2007)

Posted at 1:55 pm on Nov 7, 2023
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He could have been on the beach drinking cocktails and more than likely no one would

Author: MuskyTommy (4035 Posts - Joined: Feb 7, 2012)

Posted at 2:36 pm on Nov 7, 2023
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have known a lot of Biden's are millionaires. IMO.

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A whatabout. Did not see that coming.

Author: Chris94 (37460 Posts - Original UHND Member)

Posted at 12:35 pm on Nov 7, 2023
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The hypocrite's greatest defense.

Author: BaronVonZemo (61616 Posts - Joined: Nov 19, 2010)

Posted at 2:43 pm on Nov 7, 2023
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Your answer to accusation of selective prosecution is "your not allowed to say that."

Author: NedoftheHill (45223 Posts - Joined: Jun 29, 2011)

Posted at 1:00 pm on Nov 7, 2023
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Opening comment: "You only prosecute one side. What about fairness."

Your response: "Whatabout arguments are not allowed. You cannot argue that anyone is selectively prosecuted, because I am a professor of political science, and you must do as I say, or I will ridicule your point which actually calls attention to my hypocrisy, because I have no other comeback."


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First of all it’s not a prosecution, it’s a civil fraud claim.

Author: Frank L (64990 Posts - Joined: Sep 20, 2007)

Posted at 1:53 pm on Nov 7, 2023
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Secondly, there is smoke on Biden, but to date they haven’t come up with evidence to prove a criminal case against him.

Why doesn’t Comer fess up what he claims he has?


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You don't refute my point. It is selective, for political reasons.

Author: NedoftheHill (45223 Posts - Joined: Jun 29, 2011)

Posted at 5:09 pm on Nov 7, 2023
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Whether criminal or civil, or in equity or whatever...it is persecution.

Evil preaches tolerance until it is dominant, then it tries to silence good.
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Nonsense. The guy is running in part to use that as a defense.

Author: Frank L (64990 Posts - Joined: Sep 20, 2007)

Posted at 9:22 pm on Nov 7, 2023
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He didn’t even want to wait for the 22 midterm results to announce.

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Joe took bribes.

Author: PaND (2979 Posts - Joined: Dec 4, 2022)

Posted at 12:46 pm on Nov 7, 2023
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So did Bill and Hillary. Also, Obama wasn't born in the US.

Author: Quest4twelve (7280 Posts - Joined: Aug 5, 2015)

Posted at 1:22 pm on Nov 7, 2023
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Straw man. And irrelevant. Joe took bribes for policy from our enemies and others.

Author: BaronVonZemo (61616 Posts - Joined: Nov 19, 2010)

Posted at 2:44 pm on Nov 7, 2023
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Really? Seems like he’s getting a lot of investigations right now. When is Comer gonna fess up his

Author: Frank L (64990 Posts - Joined: Sep 20, 2007)

Posted at 12:33 pm on Nov 7, 2023
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“evidence”? Hunter is also going to trial for tax fraud.

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The unbelievable need to defend this guy for everything is fascinating.

Author: Frank L (64990 Posts - Joined: Sep 20, 2007)

Posted at 12:21 pm on Nov 7, 2023
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It is cult like.

For example if they take Hunter Biden or even old Joe down with evidence, I’m not defending them.


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Yet you prosecute him for everything, always.

Author: PaND (2979 Posts - Joined: Dec 4, 2022)

Posted at 12:27 pm on Nov 7, 2023
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It's obvious you are opining and haven't read the facts of allegations

Author: Quest4twelve (7280 Posts - Joined: Aug 5, 2015)

Posted at 10:56 am on Nov 7, 2023
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Trump's own controller admitted to a scheme along with Allen Wisselberg to make intentionally change and/or omit key information to achieve loans. Don't hail cheats like Trump as being wronged by the man. Smack that Kool-Aid out with your other hand and come back to Earth and admire people who do good in this world.

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Yeah, and if you don’t catch us it’s on you bank. MAGA moronity.

Author: Frank L (64990 Posts - Joined: Sep 20, 2007)

Posted at 11:19 am on Nov 7, 2023
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Just stating a simple fact. Don't you agree that is amazing? Then again, he was too pale & too male.

Author: NedoftheHill (45223 Posts - Joined: Jun 29, 2011)

Posted at 10:59 am on Nov 7, 2023
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But, mostly, he was too much a cause of TDS in the Left. They will dig up any law or Constitutional Amendment and use it to get him, even if those laws were never used that way before now. Your side doesn't care about politicizing the justice system.

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Yep the pale and male was a key factor.

Author: Frank L (64990 Posts - Joined: Sep 20, 2007)

Posted at 12:17 pm on Nov 7, 2023
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You take a risk if you run for president as a lifetime cheat.

Author: Chris94 (37460 Posts - Original UHND Member)

Posted at 12:12 pm on Nov 7, 2023
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He knew the risks.

Now he is whipping up the moronosphere claiming that it is all SO UNFAIR!


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If you are a Republican, anyway.

Author: NedoftheHill (45223 Posts - Joined: Jun 29, 2011)

Posted at 6:04 pm on Nov 7, 2023
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No, it's amazing you feel cheats like Trump have been "wronged". Says a lot about your morals.

Author: Quest4twelve (7280 Posts - Joined: Aug 5, 2015)

Posted at 11:01 am on Nov 7, 2023
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It really is. Orange claims that he can inflate his worth to get loans at favorable rates,

Author: Frank L (64990 Posts - Joined: Sep 20, 2007)

Posted at 11:46 am on Nov 7, 2023
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that if the banks didn’t catch him, it’s their fault, oh and by the way you can’t pursue me cause I’m running for prez.

And the cult just drools and cheers him on.


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Does it bother you that the judge said he wasn't there to listen to the defendant's testimony?

Author: NedoftheHill (45223 Posts - Joined: Jun 29, 2011)

Posted at 11:02 am on Nov 7, 2023
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He kind of exposed your morals on that, didn't he.

Evil preaches tolerance until it is dominant, then it tries to silence good.
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Yes that is exactly what he said! Good laugh at that one.

Author: Chris94 (37460 Posts - Original UHND Member)

Posted at 12:36 pm on Nov 7, 2023
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That’s BS. He didn’t say that. He said he was there to hear him answer questions which is what

Author: Frank L (64990 Posts - Joined: Sep 20, 2007)

Posted at 11:05 am on Nov 7, 2023
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witnesses called on cross are there to do. His own lawyer could follow up and let him ramble some if he wanted. Of course, he didn’t.

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Were you in the gallery with Letitia? Guess we'll have to wait for the appeal.

Author: NedoftheHill (45223 Posts - Joined: Jun 29, 2011)

Posted at 11:06 am on Nov 7, 2023
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I'm just repeating what the lawyer said.

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No, but I read the report of what the Judge said. There is also something called a transcript which

Author: Frank L (64990 Posts - Joined: Sep 20, 2007)

Posted at 11:08 am on Nov 7, 2023
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maybe you know about.

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Yes. Of course, as far as I know, they haven't released a transcript.

Author: NedoftheHill (45223 Posts - Joined: Jun 29, 2011)

Posted at 1:25 pm on Nov 7, 2023
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Don’t think that is true. It’s public proceeding and daily copy should be easy to get.

Author: Frank L (64990 Posts - Joined: Sep 20, 2007)

Posted at 1:45 pm on Nov 7, 2023
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Even if it isn’t out yet which I don’t believe, we will find out exactly what was said, and the reporting is you are wrong.

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Heh. Neither of us has the transcript, but you say I'm wrong. I'll wait.

Author: NedoftheHill (45223 Posts - Joined: Jun 29, 2011)

Posted at 6:05 pm on Nov 7, 2023
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From the reporting I read you are. Not unusual either.

Author: Frank L (64990 Posts - Joined: Sep 20, 2007)

Posted at 9:21 pm on Nov 7, 2023
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I'm not familiar with the judge not wanting to hear Trump's "testimony". What he say?

Author: Quest4twelve (7280 Posts - Joined: Aug 5, 2015)

Posted at 11:04 am on Nov 7, 2023
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He kept cutting off Trump's testimony. Lawyer objected. Said he wasn't there to listen to Trump.

Author: NedoftheHill (45223 Posts - Joined: Jun 29, 2011)

Posted at 11:05 am on Nov 7, 2023
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Lawyer said she just verified the statement was in the record, and moved on.

Evil preaches tolerance until it is dominant, then it tries to silence good.
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I knew what you were doing hence testimony in quotes. Trump deflected, rambled and did everything

Author: Quest4twelve (7280 Posts - Joined: Aug 5, 2015)

Posted at 11:20 am on Nov 7, 2023
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but answer the questions. A judge is there to run the court room, do you disagree? Trump's lawyers are all afraid of him otherwise they'd tell him to STFU.

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That’s what you do when there is unresponsive testimony and the witness is trying to conduct

Author: Frank L (64990 Posts - Joined: Sep 20, 2007)

Posted at 11:07 am on Nov 7, 2023
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a political rally. Have you ever tried a case?

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You are a litigator. You think it is OK, then fine. Is this a civil case?

Author: NedoftheHill (45223 Posts - Joined: Jun 29, 2011)

Posted at 11:32 am on Nov 7, 2023
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Seemed odd to stop a dedendant from defending himself. I would think things would have to be pretty egregious for that.

I am not a litigator. Would be interesting to hear conor's opinion on this.


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Yes it is. Anyone not named Trump would have been cut off and sanctioned if they pulled that shit

Author: Frank L (64990 Posts - Joined: Sep 20, 2007)

Posted at 11:38 am on Nov 7, 2023
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in a business fraud case.

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Any one not named Trump wouldn't be in that courtroom.

Author: NedoftheHill (45223 Posts - Joined: Jun 29, 2011)

Posted at 12:59 pm on Nov 7, 2023
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Bullshit. That fraud was massive. No one else would have the stupidity and balls to do it.

Author: Frank L (64990 Posts - Joined: Sep 20, 2007)

Posted at 1:41 pm on Nov 7, 2023
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Author: Frank L (64990 Posts - Joined: Sep 20, 2007)

Posted at 1:42 pm on Nov 7, 2023
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A supposed fraud with no victims or losses.

Author: irishsmashmouth (3310 Posts - Joined: Oct 26, 2010)

Posted at 10:51 am on Nov 7, 2023
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Insurance fraud has no victims? Interesting take.

Author: Chris94 (37460 Posts - Original UHND Member)

Posted at 12:11 pm on Nov 7, 2023
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Except the banks that lost millions in interest. You ever had to personally guarantee a loan and

Author: Frank L (64990 Posts - Joined: Sep 20, 2007)

Posted at 11:02 am on Nov 7, 2023
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submit a statement of net worth? Try doing what he did and see what happens. At minimum it’s civil fraud and they will come after you.

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They can't wrap their mind around a "civil trial."

Author: Chris94 (37460 Posts - Original UHND Member)

Posted at 12:24 pm on Nov 7, 2023
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Think of how thick the stupid is going to be during the criminal trials.

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Ridiculous and not true at all.

Author: PaND (2979 Posts - Joined: Dec 4, 2022)

Posted at 11:16 am on Nov 7, 2023
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So banks will just take my word for it. Great. I'm going to get a big loan later today. Thanks.

Author: irishsmashmouth (3310 Posts - Joined: Oct 26, 2010)

Posted at 11:13 am on Nov 7, 2023
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Didn't know banks would not due their own appraisals. Banks sure are dumb,

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Then why do you submit one if you can just lie on it and say catch me if you can with your own

Author: Frank L (64990 Posts - Joined: Sep 20, 2007)

Posted at 11:17 am on Nov 7, 2023
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appraisal? Moron. It’s called fraud. Give it a try and see what happens.

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Author: irishsmashmouth (3310 Posts - Joined: Oct 26, 2010)

Posted at 11:20 am on Nov 7, 2023
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Absolutely nothing criminal, the bank would just reject your application.

Author: PaND (2979 Posts - Joined: Dec 4, 2022)

Posted at 11:19 am on Nov 7, 2023
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Frank is not a sharp as he thinks he is.

Author: irishsmashmouth (3310 Posts - Joined: Oct 26, 2010)

Posted at 11:22 am on Nov 7, 2023
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Heh. Amazing that they didn't notice or do their own due diligence. Banks are so stupid with money.

Author: NedoftheHill (45223 Posts - Joined: Jun 29, 2011)

Posted at 11:08 am on Nov 7, 2023
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Evil preaches tolerance until it is dominant, then it tries to silence good.
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Frank's brain is mush.

Author: PaND (2979 Posts - Joined: Dec 4, 2022)

Posted at 11:17 am on Nov 7, 2023
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Some may go as far to say a piss brain,

Author: irishsmashmouth (3310 Posts - Joined: Oct 26, 2010)

Posted at 11:21 am on Nov 7, 2023
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Let's knock if off with the name calling

Author: Mark (890 Posts - Joined: Jul 23, 2015)

Posted at 3:55 pm on Nov 7, 2023
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You come across as a middle schooler.

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So that exculpates the criminal, that they didn’t catch him?

Author: Frank L (64990 Posts - Joined: Sep 20, 2007)

Posted at 11:10 am on Nov 7, 2023
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No. It just shows that they only prosecute for political reasons.

Author: NedoftheHill (45223 Posts - Joined: Jun 29, 2011)

Posted at 11:33 am on Nov 7, 2023
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Evil preaches tolerance until it is dominant, then it tries to silence good.
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That’s what the cult believes. He’s been getting away with fraud for years until the whistle finally

Author: Frank L (64990 Posts - Joined: Sep 20, 2007)

Posted at 11:41 am on Nov 7, 2023
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got blown. Weiselberg’s testimony itself is enough to sink his boat.

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The only guy in NY doing that, too. Amazing he got away with it for so long.

Author: NedoftheHill (45223 Posts - Joined: Jun 29, 2011)

Posted at 1:33 pm on Nov 7, 2023
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Evil preaches tolerance until it is dominant, then it tries to silence good.
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Just the biggest one.

Author: Frank L (64990 Posts - Joined: Sep 20, 2007)

Posted at 1:42 pm on Nov 7, 2023
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