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higher proportion than ours...do you and others ever think before posting?...Oh, and as for oversight of that aid, all you need to do is Google your question (e.g. ISW Fact Sheet on U.S. assistance to Ukraine)

Why do you display your laziness for all to see?


Link: https://www.cfr.org/article/how-much-aid-has-us-sent-ukraine-here-are-six-charts

y's and has provided 3x as much support as Germany. But, then again, Germany provides less than the 2% of GDP to defense that pledged to support in the NATO agreement.

Link: https://www.ifw-kiel.de/topics/war-against-ukraine/ukraine-support-tracker/

they are up to nearly 80% of the goal...not exactly 'deadbeats'.

Speaking of "Deadbeats"...Trump has no leg to stand on when he complains about honoring payment commitments...he's had hundreds, if not thousands of lawsuits against him for such behavior...the epitome of hypocrisy...among other faults.

d just close our military installations in Germany and let them protect themselves.

as DJT...or Kalc..

The NATO agreement is a guideline, and based on the seriousness of Russia's invasion of Ukraine, Germany is certainly taking that threat to heart with its recent military aid to that country...again...to a greater degree than our country...

btw, any comment on Trump's hypocrisy and history of being a 'deadbeat'?

troops.

His proof to confirm all the money is accounted for. There are likely more line items as you drill down.

It seems Ty likes to hurl insults now, sad.

Oh well. Nevertheless, I have attached a different link here with interesting quotes. Maybe he likes Putin more than he lets on.


“In an article for the Washington Post, Richard Harwood described the membership of the CFR as "the nearest thing we have to a ruling establishment in the United States".[19]
In 2019, CFR was criticized for accepting a donation from Len Blavatnik, a Ukrainian-born billionaire with close links to Vladimir Putin.[20] It was reported to be under fire from its own members and dozens of international affairs experts over its acceptance of a $12 million gift to fund an internship program. Fifty-five international relations scholars and Russia experts wrote a letter to the organization's board and CFR's president, Richard N. Haass.”


Wow, and money is so…fungible. Funny how that happens. Another lesson of Bidenomics I suppose.

The back and forth regarding the percentage of Germany’s contribution is irrelevant when we know that 100% of the money sent to protect Ukraine’s borders is not going to protect our own.


Link: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Council_on_Foreign_Relations#:~:text=In%202019%2C%20CFR%20was%20criticized,to%20fund%20an%20internship%20program.

you didn't do that...if you had shown any honest Critical Thinking, you'd have found the linked article which contains a great deal of information on this topic, as the following explains...
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Q4: What are the oversight mechanisms for U.S. assistance?

A4: To date, Congress has appropriated a total of $42 million to support oversight of U.S. assistance to Ukraine for the Government Accountability Office (GAO), and the Offices of the Inspectors General (OIG) for the Departments of State, Defense and USAID. The three OIGs have collaborated closely, issuing a Joint Strategic Oversight Plan for FY 2023 outlining their planned workstreams for the fiscal year. Oversight efforts could be improved should the Department of State increase the cap on U.S. government personnel authorized to be in country and dedicate additional slots to the OIGs.

Legislation has been introduced in both the House and the Senate to establish a Special Inspector General for Ukraine, similar to those set up for Iraq and Afghanistan. This approach attempts to create a parallel that has little basis in reality. For example, after decades of war in Afghanistan, the interim government that assumed power in 2001 lacked the capacity to manage the immense amounts of aid—over $146 billion in 10 years. Additionally, decades of war and severe repression under the Taliban resulted in a stunted civil society sector that lacked the capacity to provide external transparency and accountability. Further, some have suggested that the Special Inspectors General in Iraq and Afghanistan provided a chilling effect on U.S. assistance efforts, reducing the appetite to take smart risks.

This is not the case in Ukraine where civil society and the government have demonstrated that they have the capacity to provide a level of accountability and transparency in fighting corruption. While Ukraine, undoubtedly, still has significant problems with corruption, both the government and business sector have shown signs of being serious about pushing institutional reforms to combat corruption. Since the 2014 Maidan Revolution, Ukraine has implemented a string of reforms aimed at combating corruption. According to the head of the National Anti-Corruption Bureau of Ukraine, together with the Specialized Anti-Corruption Prosecutors Office, nearly 300 investigations have been launched and a record 58 indictments have been sent to court in the last year. This includes a recent investigation implicating the first deputy minister for agrarian policy and a former deputy minister of economy involved in a corruption scandal around the procurement of food aid.

President Zelensky has personally taken steps to crackdown on corruption—firing regional military recruitment officials due to allegation of corruption. This progress was validated when in March 2023 the European Council’s Group of States against Corruption removed Ukraine from the list of countries deemed “globally unsatisfactory" due to endemic corruption. Additionally, civil society organizations banded together to tackle the challenges of endemic corruption. Following the full-scale Russian invasion, the RISE Coalition was launched to bring “integrity, sustainability and efficiency” to Ukraine’s recovery and reconstruction. The coalition now boasts 40 Ukrainian and international members.

Given both the difference in scale of assistance combined with the established anti-corruption mechanisms in Ukraine, instead of establishing a Special inspector General, Congress could establish a Lead OIG model, where one of the three inspectors general would serve as the Lead in order to streamline coordination and cooperation among the three OIGs with primary responsibility for oversight of aid—in this case USAID, the Department of Defense, and the State Department.
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You also failed to look at the "Sources" in my original link...which included the U.S. Dept. of Defense, as well as a very reputable organization...'The Keil Institute'...and to make things even worse, you didn't take the time in your own Wiki link to note some of the members of the CFR...notably, Adm Bill McRaven (of 'Get bin Laden' fame), Janet Napolitano (HHS Sec'y), and Fareed Zakaria, noted foreign affairs expert.

While you went beyond what's typical in the way of research by many on this board, it wasn't enough, and was limited to a single criticism w/o any effort to explore "oversight" provisions...you simply stuck with a preconceived opinion. Hopefully, you now have a better understanding of what's actually going on...btw, it really didn't take me much time to find this material...a fraction of what it takes to document on this post, so don't hesitate to do the same next time.


Link: https://www.csis.org/analysis/past-present-and-future-us-assistance-ukraine-deep-dive-data

believe Ukraine is a model for anti-corruption when many Americans don’t even believe our own Biden led government is such a model. I have already cited at least one example of where so-called trusted sources from you and others are questionable.

The back and forth regarding the percentage of Germany’s contribution—or even about how great you believe is Ukraine’s reputation for accounting protocols—is irrelevant when we know that 100% of the money sent to protect Ukraine’s borders is not going to protect our own.

Biden Outraged by Putin Tactic to Jail Political Opposition

Biden and the rest of the world are outraged by not only Putin's imprisonment of Navalny, but his previous attempt at poisoning him...and now his murder. Anyone who truly believes in democracy and the freedoms it entails should be outraged...yet you aren't...speaks to your ethics and patriotism.

They are so scared of Russia, yet they baulk at paying the share they agreed to pay even before Putin invaded.

I've proven to you, through data from trusted sources, that Germany is actually spending proportionally more in aid to Ukraine than we are...and the data shows other NATO countries doing the same...so, you are uninformed and wrong.

As for Ukraine, they still give us the middle finger even when we ask for a thorough accounting of how the money was spent.

Again, I've provided clear, documented evidence that both the U.S. and Ukraine are taking great pains to oversee the proper use of all aid funding...once more, you are uninformed and wrong.

“Get your heads out of your ass, [Democrats]. You are the clear and present danger.”

You made a "Freudian Slip"...it's the MAGA Republicans you should have criticized...btw, thanks for clarifying your political pedigree...it bears remembering.

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amounts to the same outcome...you've been proven wrong...deal with it...or better yet...LEARN from it.

Maybe I should clarify one of the reasons for my amusement.

One of the reasons why I find some liberals so amusing (especially in the punditry class) is that they actually think that everyone believes that they believe what they themselves are saying.

I am comfortable with what I have written, and as you have indicated, those engaged in reading this thread will indeed “LEARN from it”.

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After some consideration, In the interest of finding common ground, I must admit that I was pleased, yet also still very amused, that you decided to display outrage and seeming disgust at a particular passage by reposting a quote you attributed to me, “Get your heads out of your ass, [Democrats]. You are the clear and present danger.” as proof you have now gained some keen insight based on your statement.

Here is what you wrote:

‘“Get your heads out of your ass, [Democrats]. You are the clear and present danger.”

You made a "Freudian Slip"...it's the MAGA Republicans you should have criticized...btw, thanks for clarifying your political pedigree...it bears remembering.”


I guess I gave you too much credit. I felt that most posters would have noticed the quotation marks and realized that quote did not originate from me, but from a poster a few threads down. It is amusing with your citing history that you missed that one which was from Conorlarkin only a few posts below. Finally, a cite unseen.

My retort was based on what Conorlarkin wrote, “Get your heads out of your ass, Republicans. You are the clear and present danger.” And, unfortunately, this ““Freudian slip” clarifying my political pedigree that bears remembering” is something being experienced by many on the left in this country, including luminaries like Bill Maher, who have voiced concerns of seeing no resemblance between the traditional Democratic Party and the left leaning liberal of today.

There used to be a choice between Right and Left, now there seems to be a choice between Right and Crazy.

“There is a lot of crazy on the left” ~ Bill Maher

No matter how seemingly small or insignificant the crime, they are adamant about prosecuting, across-the-board, and without exceptions when the accused just coincidentally happens to be a political rival.

Any comparisons between their tactics and those of despotic regimes merits the label, TOTALLY DIFFERENT, and is absurd.

Conversely, comparisons of their political rivals to Hitler are totally rational.

means Trump’s “peers” in D.C. and New York would be totally fair and impartial.

Again, nothing to see here. Who really is the party of fascistic oligarchs?

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I know this is the MAGA talking point. But it’s just another stupid, inappropriate comparison.

Navalny was not a criminal.

There are no political prosecutions and persecutions in Biden’s America. Again, nothing to see here.

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