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...from the attached article...
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Pope Francis has expressed in unusually sharp terms his dismay at “a very strong, organized, reactionary attitude” opposing him within the U.S. Roman Catholic Church, one that fixates on social issues like abortion and sexuality to the exclusion of caring for the poor and the environment.

The pope lamented the “backwardness” of some American conservatives who he said insist on a narrow, outdated and unchanging vision. They refuse, he said, to accept the full breadth of the Church’s mission and the need for changes in doctrine over time.

“I would like to remind these people that backwardness is useless,” Francis, 86, told a group of fellow Jesuits early this month in a meeting at World Youth Day celebrations in Lisbon. “Doing this, you lose the true tradition and you turn to ideologies to have support. In other words, ideologies replace faith.”
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Let's discuss this more fully, and then go on to the specifics of "Dignitas Infinita"...meanwhile, here's another perspective on problems of remaining "Backward" and making it an ideology...




Link: https://www.nytimes.com/2023/08/30/world/europe/pope-francis-american-conservatives.html?campaign_id=2&emc=edit_th_20230830&instance_id=101562&nl=todaysheadlines®i_id=61881856&segment_id=143325&user_id=1450b129459f025b89da2e3b5b6ce42b

Keep swinging at the "Stupid Shit Pinata" It's what you do best.

the Earth...changes its teaching.

With new knowledge, understanding increases and teachings change...it's happened before...it will continue...for those who are open minded and forward thinking.

Keep swinging at that "Stupid Shit Pinata".

...from the attached Wiki summary of Galileo Galilei...
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Galileo's championing of Copernican heliocentrism was met with opposition from within the Catholic Church and from some astronomers. The matter was investigated by the Roman Inquisition in 1615, which concluded that heliocentrism was foolish, absurd, and heretical since it contradicted the Ptolemaic system.[9][10][11]

Galileo later defended his views in Dialogue Concerning the Two Chief World Systems (1632), which appeared to attack Pope Urban VIII and thus alienated both the Pope and the Jesuits, who had both supported Galileo up until this point.[9] He was tried by the Inquisition, found "vehemently suspect of heresy", and forced to recant. He spent the rest of his life under house arrest.[12][13] During this time, he wrote Two New Sciences (1638), primarily concerning kinematics and the strength of materials, summarizing work he had done around forty years earlier.[14]
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The opposition to Galileo was at least as vehement as that being hurled at Pope Francis today...but well reasoned changes in teaching are still possible. Knowledge will ultimately win out over ignorance.


Link: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Galileo_Galilei

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their support for the 'Heliocentric Theory' ;-)...is there any nit too small for you to obsess over? ;-)

Was Galileo right about the tides? Absolutely not.

Although my spiritual perspectives have "evolved" since I was a Baltimore Catechism Catholic, John Paul remains my ideal Pope.

He, of course, grew up under the Communist yoke.


Link: https://www.bbc.com/news/magazine-33024951Althougjn

btw, I get a "404" message when clicking on your link...which is fine, since I'm more interested in your response to what Francis had to say in my link...can you do that?

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Francis is certainly careless with his language. He doesn't understand (or isn't worried) that American Leftists will twist any ambiguity in his language to drive their true religion, which is political power. It is too bad, though, because he enables the enemies of the Church with his careless use of language.

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I'm guessing either an Italian or an African. Certainly not a Jesuit ever again.

...from the attached article...
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In his homily on Saturday morning he called for "an ever more symphonic and synodal Church".

Using the metaphor of an orchestra, Francis appeared to refer to divisions between progressives and conservatives in the 1.3 billion member Church, saying one section or instrument cannot play alone or drown out the others.

It was his job, as "conductor" to listen and try to achieve a "creative fidelity".

The Oct. 4-29 synod has been in preparation for two years, during which Catholics around the world were asked about their vision for the future of the Church.

Proponents have welcomed the consultations as an opportunity to change the Church's power dynamics and give a greater voice to lay Catholics, including women, and people on the margins of society.

Conservatives say the process has been a waste of time, may erode the hierarchical structure of the nearly 1.3 billion-member Church and in the long run could dilute traditional doctrine. A second final session will be held in 2024.
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The number of "Practicing" Catholics is diminishing and IMO it started with the pedophilia scandal and Church leadership being more concerned with the "Brand" of Catholicism than actually "Walking the Talk"...trust and faith in the institution was lost. Francis is trying to turn that around by choosing leaders who are willing to actually engage their 'flocks' and help them deal with real world challenges. Hopefully, they will carry on his vision of action and ministry to ALL.


Link: https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/pope-francis-cements-legacy-stamps-church-future-with-new-cardinals-2023-09-30/

behind the "Ignore" button....are you that unsure of your own beliefs?

Oh! I forgot… we don’t want to deal with the impact of developmental conflicts and anxieties. Makes sense now.

Ironically the Church once promoted this extreme perversion.


Link: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Castrato

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He's the president of a country that is multi-cultural and multi-faith with a strongly libertarian bent (i.e., live and let live). So, I could see a rational position being: while I don't personally agree with this gender transforming bullshit, I respect an individual's right to choose, and ultimately, it's between them and their God.

It's a much harder position to take with respect to abortion. Kinda hard to say: I believe a baby is a human with rights, but you can decide whether you believe a baby is a human with rights, and that's between you and your God. In that case, you are effectively condoning abortion.

I ultimately think the lack of cohesion around values is what is precipitating the fall of the US as a super power - especially around the importance of family, hard work and personal responsibility. Not coincidentally, all of those are under attack. Ultimately, I think Biden is more a symptom than the problem.

To be clear, he needs to go and I think we need to reinvigorate the notion of self-determinism and the heroic ideal.

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Also, the gusto with which he supports these causes indicates genuine support rather than merely grudgingly accepting the mantle of his job. He has gone far beyond what would be necessary were that the case.

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