Common sense on the Senate floor. J.D. Vance delivered a factual takedown of our policy on Ukraine
and our foreign policy in general. His speech should be chilling for every Christian on this Board. Further, he carefully explains why this $61b will not be able to do what the first $200b didn't. And careful, Domer, he's an Iraq War vet who risked his life for our country, so you can't call him a Putin puppet.
I hope he's Trump's VP if he accepts it. It's not too hard to see a scenario when Trump is removed from office and the next President is J.D. Vance, Marine, husband, father, and common-sense Senator.
Link: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9fxGDSQTYf4&t=1193s
Replies to: Common sense on the Senate floor. J.D. Vance delivered a factual takedown of our policy on Ukraine
Apparently, Vance was less than persuasive.
My JD story
I first learned of him when seeing his book pop up on ‘Best Books I Read This Year’ lists from both Barack Obama and Bill Gates. So I read it, and thought it was fantastic. What am amazing life story, and his climb from poverty amidst addicted family members is admirable. I also liked that the book wasn’t preachy. After finishing the book, I did not have a sense of where he leaned politically.
So I was surprised when he announced his candidacy to be the GOP nominee for Sen Portman’s open seat. He was coming to my town to give a stump speech so I decided to go see him. At the time he was running 4th or 5th in a field of 6 candidates, and I didn’t take him seriously as a candidate. I just wanted to see the guy who wrote the book.
I thought he was an excellent speaker and he had a good grasp of the issues. I went up to meet him after the speech and shook his hand, and he was pleasant enough. But he was also too pro-Trump for my tastes. I really thought he would drop out, and was shocked when he won the nomination.
Still not comfortable with his Trump affiliation, but I’m glad he’s my Senator. I also like Sherrod Brown.
I apologize for offending your state. I now live in Michigan and have a slight anti-Buckeye virus.
Vance is eloquent... but just a tad inflexible. Maybe he will mature into it.
Not necessary
I rip on OH all the time. I have no allegiance to OSU, though I do not view OSU as negatively as I once did.
Offend away.
He started off as a big Trump critic, of course
Then changed to the biggest MAGA dope there is.
He is a complete phony.
Mitt Romney on J.D. Vance...
...from the attached article...
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But as Romney surveyed the crop of Republicans running for Senate in 2022, it was clear that more Hawleys were on their way. Perhaps most disconcerting was J. D. Vance, the Republican candidate in Ohio. “I don’t know that I can disrespect someone more than J. D. Vance,” Romney told me. They’d first met years earlier, after he read Vance’s best-selling memoir, Hillbilly Elegy. Romney was so impressed with the book that he hosted the author at his annual Park City summit in 2018. Vance, who grew up in a poor, dysfunctional family in Appalachia and went on to graduate from Yale Law School, had seemed bright and thoughtful, with interesting ideas about how Republicans could court the white working class without indulging in toxic Trumpism. Then, in 2021, Vance decided he wanted to run for Senate, and reinvented his entire persona overnight. Suddenly, he was railing against the “childless left” and denouncing Indigenous Peoples’ Day as a “fake holiday” and accusing Joe Biden of manufacturing the opioid crisis “to punish people who didn’t vote for him.” The speed of the MAGA makeover was jarring.
“I do wonder, how do you make that decision?” Romney mused to me as Vance was degrading himself on the campaign trail that summer. “How can you go over a line so stark as that—and for what?” Romney wished he could grab Vance by the shoulders and scream: This is not worth it! “It’s not like you’re going to be famous and powerful because you became a United States senator. It’s like, really? You sell yourself so cheap?” The prospect of having Vance in the caucus made Romney uncomfortable. “How do you sit next to him at lunch?”
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J.D. Vance cannot be trusted...ever.
Link: https://www.nationalreview.com/corner/romney-on-cynicism/
Mitt Romney wants to put black people back in chains.
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Chris has spoken. We must discount everything JD says.
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Except what he said was completely correct. Vance is phony, self advancing hypocrite.
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Professor calls Marine phony was not on my bingo card today.
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He called Vance a phony because…
when it became politically advantageous for him to support Trump…he dove right in, hence the “phony” comment.
I would have to used the word “hypocrite”, but that’s just me.
I don't know who this guy is, but he can't be any phonier than Joe or Don.
Don't look up! Idiocracy. 1984.
So that makes him okay then? Idjit.
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Show me a politician who isn't a phony or hypocrite. Graham is usually a hated GOP member until he
spouts something the hater agrees with. Then he is great. All of these scumbags in Washington lie when they open their mouth. It's naive for anyone to believe they are in Washington to help the people who put them there. They are there to self themselves and get rich and they do a damn fine job at that.
Good point. 100% agree.
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The reality is the Ukraine aid contains a great deal of accurate long range weaponry that will
seriously compromise Putin's hold on Ukrainian soil...including Crimea. The Senate passed the bill by a vote of 82 - 18...they've heard all of Vance's (i.e. Trump's/Putin's) talking points, and voted to support Ukraine's desire for freedom...along with NATO countries who live right next to Russia...they know what's at stake for them if Ukraine capitulates due to lack of aid.
Vance will go down as a 21st century version of Neville Chamberlain.
If there was peace, their entire narrative of Putin going to conquer Ukraine & Europe would collapse
Their supporting Ukraine is supporting Ukraine to fight, not to seek peace. As Boris Johnson made it clear to Zelensky regarding to Istanbul agreement with Russia: We (west) won't sign it. If you sign it, you will be on your own in the future. If you don't sign it we will support you to fight. Clearly Ukraine is an ally and valuable to the west only if they fight Russia. Otherwise they're worthless to the West.
Your boy Putin could stop the war tomorrow
If you want peace, give your pal a call, Eli.
Here is Putin's call to Zelensky on2nd day of war, asking negotiation only on neutrality to end SMO.
Zelensky confirmed the call to the public. MSM in US gave little reporting about it.
Link: https://www.president.gov.ua/en/news/zvernennya-prezidenta-do-ukrayinciv-naprikinci-pershogo-dnya-73149
Stop lying for your idol…
You left out some key details, Chicom… Ukraine also was to accept that the Crimea was Russian territory, and recognize Donetsk and Luhansk as independent states; Putin claimed that Russia was ready to halt military operations.
Putin lied and lied. If Ukraine would have capitulated, Vlad would have demanded more. Stop kidding yourself.
Here is my call. On 3rd day of the war. You warmongers were so arrogant then, hypocritical now.
Send your "peace treaty" to Putin. You always ignore that incovenient fact.
There could be peace tomorrow if Putin called off the invasion.
But you need to blame everybody else. Everybody is a warmonger....except Putin.
That's why you are a farcical zealot.
No need. There was a deal later, even in better terms for Ukraine which is called Istanbul treaty
Neither uhnd treaty nor Istanbul treaty does matter now. The war has consequences. Just ask German.
Putin can end the war tomorrow. No one else can.
Except your UHND treaty, of course.
Any negotiation without US involvement & agreement is useless. You should know that
Minsk agreement proved that. Istanbul treaty again proved that.
US hold the key, not just on negotiation of Ukraine-Russia, but also on any negotiations of military conflict in this world. Neocon/Neolib want to be the world police and the world developed dependency on the role US has Been playing. But in the case of Ukraine, neocon/neolib invested too much, just ask Nueland and Soros about it. No way they want Ukraine to be neutral.
You being right and them being wrong for 2+ years has taught them nothing still. They're
incapable of admitting that they were wrong, as is the current Administration. Thus, more Ukrainians will die because of them.
He’s a Trump puppet, therefore he’s a Putin penis gobbler…
I don’t care that he was a Marine. He should be ashamed of himself. Good thing that the majority of the senate has common sense and passed the bill.
Your vulgarity degrades your opinion.
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Your prudishness degrades your opinion.
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Not a prude. Not a Neanderthal either. I will not descend.
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And Graham says Vance is full of shit…go figure
I saw Lindsey's argument. "They've got all the manpower they need." Do you believe that?
What is going to be the result of this $61b?
The 61b will give the Ukrainians what they need to kill more savages…
The war is a stalemate and will continue to be a stalemate now. I love seeing you Putin sycophants cry in your cheerios.
Funding more deaths on both sides is tragic. Perhaps necessary but not noble.
We have become Masters Of War as Dylan would say.
Yes. To reach a stalemate, yes.
To convince Putin that he can’t win, yes.
To achieve peace, yes.
Ok, so the $61b will "achieve peace" per Chris 94. We'll bookmark this because it
highlights your total lack of understanding of the battle on the ground. We don't produce enough air defense missiles to protect Ukraine, much less ourselves, Taiwan and Israel. And now Russia has turned 1,000kg dumb bombs into smart glide bombs that it can drop on Zelenky's toilet if they want. You will never be able to achieve a military stalemate in these circumstances. It is impossible.
Shocked that you have a teaching job and it relates to military power.
Not what I said.
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Yes it is.
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They have the manpower. I never said the money will "achieve peace." Idiot.
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So it's a money pit with no peaceful end in sight?
Give us a date and a dollar amount. Otherwise your guess is no better than anyone else's.
Common sense in rural Ohio! He knows his constituency.
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He certainly lacks arrogance of your "smarter than you" elite buddies.
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Kinda depends on the issue. Rural Ohio voters are wise on many issues but foreign affairs is not...
in their wheelhouse.