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simple question for you lawfare advocates.....

Author: und67 (6805 Posts - Original UHND Member)

Posted at 10:02 am on May 23, 2024
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msm, dnc, antifa, blm: trying to kill america.

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Thread Level: 2

Exactly. No defense for Merchan’s behavior &cover up of exculpatory evidence.

Author: BaronVonZemo (60149 Posts - Joined: Nov 19, 2010)

Posted at 10:39 am on May 23, 2024
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Merchan’s behavior was not normal but also not unusual.

Author: Curly1918 (16495 Posts - Joined: Aug 30, 2017)

Posted at 11:02 am on May 23, 2024
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Some judges feel super empowered when wearing robes behind the bench. Has nothing to do with politics.

Thread Level: 4

It most certainly is here. Look at his slap down

Author: BaronVonZemo (60149 Posts - Joined: Nov 19, 2010)

Posted at 11:19 am on May 23, 2024
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reasonable objection over and over by Trump’s attorneys - he even threatened them with fines if they continued to object.

Then he allows unrelated Stormy testimony and has the gall to say “for the life of me, I don’t know why (Trump’s) lawyers didnt object?”

His refusal to step aside while his daughter have been specifically involved in anti-Trump activities and he has been an active Dem donor as well.

His selective gagging of Trump but not Cohen and Daniels so that he was smeared without ability to respond.

His refusal to allow Cohen’s lawyer (aDem)
testify with specific knowledge that star witness Cohen was lying again.


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Thread Level: 2

Here you go...btw, with virtually no effort at all, you could have found the answer to that question

Author: TyroneIrish (20688 Posts - Joined: Oct 8, 2020)

Posted at 10:30 am on May 23, 2024
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and not expose your ignorance and/or sloth...




Thread Level: 3

Proving Trump himself actively caused the records to be falsified was the sine qua non of the case.

Author: Curly1918 (16495 Posts - Joined: Aug 30, 2017)

Posted at 11:10 am on May 23, 2024
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Everything else was collateral embellishment.

If this is not given as a jury instruction it is reversible error.


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Thread Level: 4

I'm sure the prosecution will tell the jury that DJT had knowledge of the illegal scheme...

Author: TyroneIrish (20688 Posts - Joined: Oct 8, 2020)

Posted at 12:12 pm on May 23, 2024
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approved it...and had intent to commit the felonies...with documented and testified evidence.

Thread Level: 5

A standard jury instruction warns that arguments by counsel are not evidence.

Author: Curly1918 (16495 Posts - Joined: Aug 30, 2017)

Posted at 1:33 pm on May 23, 2024
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I don't recall any oral or documentary evidence that Trump had anything to do with record keeping.

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No but circumstantial evidence is and if he’s convicted that will be the key.

Author: Frank L (64788 Posts - Joined: Sep 20, 2007)

Posted at 1:43 pm on May 23, 2024
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What circumstantial evidence? No "testimony" even inferred Trump was involved with record keeping.

Author: Curly1918 (16495 Posts - Joined: Aug 30, 2017)

Posted at 2:04 pm on May 23, 2024
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This is why the standard for conviction is "beyond a reasonable doubt."

Any decent jurist would issue a directed acquittal.


Thread Level: 8

Then how did they know how to book it as a retainer?

Author: Frank L (64788 Posts - Joined: Sep 20, 2007)

Posted at 2:07 pm on May 23, 2024
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Who else with the company was involved with the cohen transactions here? Dude is a micro manager which was proven in spades here. You do try cases, right?

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You have a bit of a point. Why should any payments made to Cohen be listed as "legal" expenses?

Author: Curly1918 (16495 Posts - Joined: Aug 30, 2017)

Posted at 2:17 pm on May 23, 2024
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Unless he had regularly been submitting his bill for providing these services

But how would a bookkeeper know that he was a mere thief?


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Even when they weren’t. Which Orange knew full well they weren’t when he submitted them to be

Author: Frank L (64788 Posts - Joined: Sep 20, 2007)

Posted at 2:27 pm on May 23, 2024
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booked that way. Thanks, easy peasy.

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That does not answer his question.

Author: PaND (2732 Posts - Joined: Dec 4, 2022)

Posted at 11:04 am on May 23, 2024
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The legal geniuses here are in full force.

Author: Frank L (64788 Posts - Joined: Sep 20, 2007)

Posted at 10:43 am on May 23, 2024
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This is first year law school stuff. Guilt requires proving each element of the crime.

Author: Curly1918 (16495 Posts - Joined: Aug 30, 2017)

Posted at 1:36 pm on May 23, 2024
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A valid jury instruction should enumerate each element from the statute,

But of course the law is irrelevant in this situation.


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No shit Sherlock and it will be there in the instructions.

Author: Frank L (64788 Posts - Joined: Sep 20, 2007)

Posted at 1:44 pm on May 23, 2024
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Let's see. I would be surprised but not shocked if it is not there.

Author: Curly1918 (16495 Posts - Joined: Aug 30, 2017)

Posted at 2:07 pm on May 23, 2024
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It certainly was not cited in the indictment.

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Doesn’t have to be. Will be in the jury charge.

Author: Frank L (64788 Posts - Joined: Sep 20, 2007)

Posted at 2:09 pm on May 23, 2024
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This? "To find Trump guilty you must find (beyond a reasonable doubt) that he falsified records."

Author: Curly1918 (16495 Posts - Joined: Aug 30, 2017)

Posted at 2:25 pm on May 23, 2024
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Or caused them to be falsified which he did when he submitted hush money reimbursement as legal

Author: Frank L (64788 Posts - Joined: Sep 20, 2007)

Posted at 2:30 pm on May 23, 2024
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expenses or a retainer. Again, easy, peasy.

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Thread Level: 4

You thought the Palestinian protesters were going to Rikers. You really aren’t very bright.

Author: Cole (16200 Posts - Joined: Oct 15, 2012)

Posted at 10:53 am on May 23, 2024
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You thought they would be released with just summons’. Moron.

Author: Frank L (64788 Posts - Joined: Sep 20, 2007)

Posted at 10:58 am on May 23, 2024
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