Can we all agree crime going down is a good thing or should we not believe the data?
FBI statistics out this week show that violent crime nationwide dropped by 15% in the first three months of the year compared to the same period last year. Murder went down 26%, aggravated assaults down 12.5%, robberies down 17.8%, reported rapes down 26% — and reported property crimes down 15%.
Link: https://www.nydailynews.com/2024/06/15/the-truth-about-crime-america-is-getting-safer-no-matter-what-trump-claims/
Replies to: Can we all agree crime going down is a good thing or should we not believe the data?
Those stats have become less reliable because of the many released instead of being in jail.
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No one trusts institutions, much less their data.
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Welp yeah, when a major political party and its leader continue to lie about a rigged and stolen
election, that’s no big reveal. They have done incalculable damage to our institutions.
Statistics is like a whore, you can do whatever you want with them. In addition as others have
pointed out, you have big cities that haven’t reported in, you have liberal DA’s change definitions of what is a crime, you have less police that have retired or switched careers after being demonized by the left after George Floyd and the BLM nonsense, for the police that remain, many have told me they don’t waste their time arresting anyone since they will be released within hours, some people won’t waste their time calling police due to shortages, so there are crimes going on that just aren’t being reported. What we do know is that cops are being killed/ambushed more since George Floyd, car jackings are up in places like Philadelphia and DC, lots of smash and grabs still going on, I certainly don’t feel safe going into big cities anymore as there isn’t enough deterrent anymore to one’s actions. But you go ahead and believe the left spin.
A real-life example of conservative is a lib who has been mugged.
She's being disowned by the Left for speaking common sense on crime and not pretending that crime is getting better.
Already covered here. THe FBI switched systems this year for collecting data and a number of cities
have not reported complete data. Additionally, some of the data computed by the FBI does not match what local departments have reported. The UCR is garbage this year. Come back in a couple years when the system is ironed out and you have more than 70% of departments reporting data to the FBI.
But, as with inflation and the border, I would highly recommend the "Don't believe your lyin' eyes" strategy.
I don't trust the data. What D cities are not reporting crimes.
Get out of your safe zone and walk the areas of Chicago, San Fran, and Philly. Peole know better.
We get it, when your echo chamber does nothing but extenuate every crime makes sense why you don't
believe the data.
Link: https://www.usatoday.com/story/opinion/columnist/2023/12/20/crime-murder-violence-down-biden-fox-news/71974355007/
We get it. You fell for the Russia hoax. You swore by the pee pee tape hoax.
You were the first one to jump on board with Trump grabing the limo steering wheel lie. You believed that St George Floyd was a righteous dude. A13 year old boy was shot and killed the other day in Chicago. Go try your pathetic lefty discussion with those residents.
With the reduction of abortions, it will be going back up in about 20 years.
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Speakingof that, abortions are down 98% since Indiana passed their pro-life laws.
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But they think the data is forged to help Biden
And they have read about some crime, so the data is obviously false.
After the 51 IC Russian Disinformation op and others, they don't deserve our trust.
I find it very odd that you blame the people who are upset for being lied to and give the liars a blanket pass.
After the GOP-led Senate Intelligence Committee Report that found numerous incidents of Russian
efforts to influence the 2016 election in Trump's favor (full report attached)...why would you NOT think that those 51 Intel experts had justifiable cause for their suspicions?
...from that report...
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I. (U) FINDINGS
(U) The Committee found that the Russian government engaged in an aggressive, multi- faceted effort to influence, or attempt to influence, the outcome ofthe 2016 presidential election. Parts ofthis effort are outlined in the Committee's earlier volumes on election security, social media, the Obama Administration's response to the threat, and the January 2017 Intelligence Community Assessment (ICA).
(U) The fifth and final volume focuses on the counterintelligence threat, outlining a wide range of Russian efforts to influence the Trump Campaign and the 2016 election. In this volume the Committee lays out its findings in detail by looking at many aspects ofthe counterintelligence threat posed by the Russian influence operation. For example, the Committee examined Paul Manafort's connections to Russian influence actors and the FBI's treatment of reporting produced by Christopher Steele. While the Committee does not describe the final result as a complete picture, this volume provides the most comprehensive description to date of Russia's activities and the threat they posed. This volume presents this information in topical sections in order to address coherently and in detail the wide variety o f Russian actions. The events explained in these sections in many cases overlap, and references in each section will direct the reader to those overlapping parts ofthe volume. Immediately below is a summary of key findings from several sections.
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Also, to to page 27 of the report to get an understanding of how Trump's campaign manager, Paul Manafort, got deeply involved with Russian agent, Konstantin Kilimnik...demonstrating the collaboration between Trump and Putin.
Anyone capable of rational thought knows that Putin has not taken a "Hands Off" position on U.S. politics after 2016...or stopped working to get Trump elected.
Just think about this...arguably, our WORST ENEMY not only wants Trump to be our President, but is actively working to make that happen...with DJT's gratitude and appreciation.
Link: https://www.intelligence.senate.gov/sites/default/files/documents/report_volume5.pdf
No, because they had the physical laptop in their possession in late 2019.
The FBI knew it was real 11 months before they conspired to prebunk it. they even pressured Mac to not say anything about it. These are now known facts. Don't be a useful idiot, it's unhelpful to anyone.
Has all the data been verified?
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We've been over this Tyrone, yes.
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My question was rhetorical...the FBi has been mum on the data...
and the laptop itself, for that matter...check out the linked FOX article.
Your credibility is in serious doubt.
Link: https://www.foxnews.com/politics/fbi-still-mum-laptop-gets-entered-evidence-hunter-biden-trial
Incorrect, an FBI agent testified about this in Hunter's trial.
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The FBI agent only testified to the serial number of the hardware...and SOME of the data...
however, the FBI has not verified ALL of the data...and with good reason, since forensic analysts hired by the Washington Post have found large amounts of data added AFTER it was received by the repair shop owner...and BEFORE it was turned over to the FBI.
Again, you are wrong about the only thing that matters...i.e. the DATA...so the suspicion of Rudy Giuliani being involved in a Russian ruse is warranted.
Link: https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2024/06/12/right-takes-biden-laptop-victory-lap-around-an-empty-arena/
Try to use an ounce of logic.
If it wasn't validated, the same folks that claimed it was Russian Disinformation would be shouting it from mountain tops.
The WaPo has gotten this story wrong from the beginning, they cannot be trusted.
Link: https://nypost.com/2023/06/22/fbi-verified-authenticity-of-hunter-bidens-abandoned-laptop-in-november-2019-irs-whistleblower-gary-shapley/
The fact is that the FBI hasn't verified ALL the data...that's all that matters.
...as for the credibility of news sources...the WaPo has numerous Pulitzer Awards and publicly available journalistic standards...moreover it has never been found guilty of knowingly lying to its readers...Rupert Murdoch owns the NY Post and he paid $787M for doing just that at FOX which he also owns...he has never apologized for that breach of trust. You make poor choices.
Now imagine this was Orange’s or one of his son’s laptop. Do you think that clown would accept an
FBI analysis that some of the data came from them? Would be funny if it weren’t so sad.
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Really, what do you think they are waiting on?
You are a useful idiot.
Stop for a moment and review this thread...you haven't provided any EVIDENCE that the FBI has
validated ALL of the data from the laptop...without that, no conclusion can be reached. As for why that hasn't happened, you can theorize all you want, but you certainly can't spike the football ;-).
The suspicion of those 51 Intel experts is still warranted.
Only the FBI could settle this.
This is why they are untrustworthy.
Don't be so hard on them...they just recently uncovered and stopped 8 ISIS infiltrators.
...they know how to do their jobs...including times when they have to raid the home of a bad guy trying to run off with some of our Top Secret documents.
Link: https://www.cbsnews.com/news/ice-arrests-8-with-suspected-isis-ties/
Hey, look over here!
You're such a buffoon.
Fact: People don't trust the FBI.
Actually, it pretty much depends on what party you're in...Reps are always afraid of something..
...probably why they are called "Conservative"...yet they'll place their lives in the hands of a proven fraud, rapist and liar...that's a bid odd...don't you think?
Link: https://news.gallup.com/poll/402464/government-agency-ratings-cia-fbi-federal-reserve-down.aspx#:~:text=In%202022%2C%2037%25%20of%20Americans,lowest%20was%2030%25%20in%202009.
Yeah, I've noticed that Dems around here don't mind being lied to.
BTW, your link is from 2022.
Loss of trust in our institutions is a problem, not a problem you will care about, but a problem nonetheless. Keep deluding yourself.
Back to the issue at hand...the FBI has not verified all the data, which leaves open the non-zero
possibility that Rudy Giuliani...of "Stolen Election Theories" fame...and accomplices...could have concocted a disinformation scheme.
btw, since the independent computer forensic analysts hired by WaPo found the 'hard drive' to be a "Mess" with large amounts of data unverifiable, I suspect that the FBI is too having a serious challenge in trying to verify all that data...hence the inaction on their part.
As to the date of the link...it contains historical charts going back many years with very little change in views of the FBI...no need for you to get 'picayune' about it ;-)
You're a bitter clinger!
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