WSJ college rankings:ND#17 - only metric that keeps ND out of top 10..."diversity". In other words:
ND is a kick ass school by every important metric. Factors assessed in ranking:
Salary Impact
Grad Rate
Years to Pay Off Net Price
Learning Opportunities
Preparation For Career
Learning Facilities
Character Development
Recommendation (% of grads who would recommend their school to others)
Diversity
ND scored as high as even the top schools in all of these metrics except Diversity (52% - well below Yale's 86%....and grad rate 80% - good but not elite like ND's other metrics...this latter surprised me as it is an outlier, and I know ND has an excellent grad rate. But they don't give it out without producing. This latter metric is certainly influenced to some degree by ND's robust athletic department)
So basically, ND doesn't play the DEI game on admissions as much as the Ivies, and they don't rubberstamp their diplomas to those who get in. The ivies are rewarded for both of these metrics.
In every important way, ND compares equally with the top Ivies.
Link: https://www.wsj.com/rankings/college-rankings/best-colleges-2024
Replies to: WSJ college rankings:ND#17 - only metric that keeps ND out of top 10..."diversity". In other words:
Aside from actually being ranked #32 by the WSJ, ND attracts Catholics who are typically white and
so there is an inherent bias in thought and perspective. Fortunately, our administration values Diversity and seeks to improve that metric, thus appealing to a broader group of outstanding students.
Edit: I made the mistake of trusting Baron's link would match with his comments...shame on me...ND is indeed ranked #17 for "2025"....nice improvement...must have been due to the INCREASE in attention to DIVERSITY by our administration. ;-)
Question. Why do you think black students in fully integrated school systems
do worse - every time on average - in academic achievement than their white counterparts in the same exact schools?
Are you arguing that Black students are incapable of excelling?...or that segregated schools are the
way we should approach education?...I'm at a loss for how your post relates to ND's ranking among America's colleges.
Link: https://hellobio.com/blog/10-award-winning-black-scientists-you-should-know-about.html
I'm arguing allowing students in who aren't as qualified as others is wrong
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FYI...ND's DEI policy/program does not involve accepting or hiring unqualified persons, if that's
what you're insinuating. Read the link I provided about it, along with the following USNews summary of ND's student population...note that only 4% of Black persons in the U.S. are Catholic and inclined to seek out the University.
https://www.usnews.com/best-colleges/university-of-notre-dame-1840
Link: https://provost.nd.edu/assets/394262/inclusive_excellence_report_.pdf
1st and 2nd generation immigrants who happen to be black dominate.
So the uncomfortable truth is that there are some cultural and nurture conversations that need to be had.
And poor whites with shitty parents in shitty schools have the same problem.
WSJ has Tulane ranked 71. That seems about right.
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Interesting. They have like a 11.5% acceptance rate. Must be lacking in faculty and facilities.
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Faculty is lacking their faculties.
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ND is also 50/50 male female. Diversity is not important at all whatsoever.
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I hate these rankings…but I also don’t ever remember seeing ND in the top 10
But you have to blame the culture war. I understand.
I merely said that they are in the top 10 if you exclude the culture war issue
If you choose to add value to DEI, then that is your own perogative.
I merely said that I have never seen ND in the top 10 in any list of best universities
Including lists that do not take culture-war variables into account.
Therefore, culture-war variables are not likely decisive.
Why not worry about Tulane? Are you personally doing anything to improve the ranking?
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Being a bag of gas who draws a paycheck is not enough!
Yeah gramps, meaning he’s got nothing. Typical
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Good point grampa. Thanks for your input.
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No problem Grandma. Try your best.
Don’t be a bag of gas collecting a paycheck.
Who’s the idiot who downvoted this? Be proud of your University.
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