Curious, honest question for everyone: What do both sides here think were the key drivers?
Genuinely interested in what our posters on both sides of the aisle think made the biggest difference. I honestly don't know, myself, as the issues many are claiming would matter this time are the same ones I thought would matter *more* in 2022 than they did in the results.
- Social issues? People are arguing over the same things they did 2 years ago. I don't believe Trump would have won a 2022 election, and the Republicans did not reclaim the Senate that year.
- Economic issues? Inflation was bad in 2020 and in 2022. It didn't really move the needle in those elections.
- Lack of COVID impact on mail-in votes? I just don't see that, as it was every bit as straightforward to send your ballot in this year as it was in 2020.
I'm down to a few things that I may be way wrong about: Immigration, Crime and Safety, and 1A/2A/Freedom concerns. Please understand: I'm not arguing who is/was right or wrong about these issues in this post, just wondering if they drove voters.
Full transparency: I've added Conor and Frank back to my viewed posters (reserving the right to change my mind if anything gets personal). I'm wondering what everyone thinks mattered most.
Replies to: Curious, honest question for everyone: What do both sides here think were the key drivers?
A few things
Her one job, the border, was a miserable failure.
She knows less about business/the economy than a fifth-grader. Never appeared on CNBC; only smiled on SNL.
The vote was a total rejection of radical liberalism: defunding police; over regulation; WAAAY overspending on pet programs, ballooning deficits; DEI; open border; Wokism; raising taxes just to spend more; inflation etc
The world needs a strong US leader to face the most dangerous geo-political landscape since WWII...it's certainly not Kamala.
Now we got a lot of work to do to clean up a lot of shite.
Joy Reid blamed white women last night.
It's the voters fault, not the candidate. Way to keep beating the race and gender drum.
Florida is “an extreme right-wing fascist state,” according to “Joy”.
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Economy/money. If you’re not financially set and have money to pay the bills nothing else matters.
People are unhappy about the high prices of everything. It showed by the voting last night where people overlooked Trump’s many flaws.
Here are my thoughts…
-Trump’s team ran a very effective campaign. They focused on areas of great pain to the American public.
-Immigration/border issues was a big problem for the Dems. Their “half-handed” attempt at a bi-partisan immigration bill was the beginning of the end.
-the economy also played a major role. Inflation drove a lot of blue collar workers to Trump. We shall see if his tariff strategy helps or hurts the American public.
Inflation is inevitable unless serious cuts in spending occur.
Even with cuts, inflation may be required to service the debt. Interest payments on debt greater than defense spending. Trump will have a hard time handling that. Hopefully he will at least try, though.
I think it's going to be a bloodbath for the bureaucracy, led by Elon.
It is going to create a lot of short term problems and the catastrophizing will be intense. But you have to ask, what alternative is there?
The Blob has 1,000 arms and will use them to choke any reform.
I wish the effort well, but I don’t expect success.
Nothing a little fascism can't fix.
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Fear, anger and ignorance. Like 2016, gangs are not taking over the country
In regards to the economy, it is very strong. Prices are high, but there’s nothing Trump is going to be able to do (felt the same way about Kamala).
Oil is also at an all-time high and it hasn’t made a change on prices. It will be interesting to see what immigration reform will be put forward by the Rs.
You didn't mention that white women weren't willing to lie to their husbands about their votes.
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Maybe you should re-read OP question.
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Not enough bagging and motorboating.
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Do you really offend that easy or feeling orange balls Braggadocious?
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Dude, why are you thinking about Trump's balls?!
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Not offended at all, I am amused.
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Like Hitler, fascists if you didn’t vote with the DNC?
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Agreed with all posters below. I think, fundamentally Americans are unhappy with our political class
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Inflation & economy (all); lack of opportunity (men/young men); cultural issues (religious/men)
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inflation and economy were key drivers,
I also think a key driver was kackling Kamala attacking Djt24 too much, many lies
She also replied on abortion too much the SC having already decided
He did great with young voters because he offers a better future.
What we saw the last four years was just a pile of shit.
My 3 are as follows:
1. The candidate was not competent. She had no record of achievement as VP
2. Word Salads.
3. The Hitlerization of Trump combined with End Of The World rhetoric.
Inflation, immigration, gaslighting.
“How did you go bankrupt?” Bill asked.
“Two ways,” Mike said. “Gradually and then suddenly.”
The dialogue above is from Ernest Hemingway’s 1926 novel, The Sun Also Rises.
In 2022 the full pain of inflation had not yet been felt. It certainly didn't help that the dems passed a bill called "The Inflation Reduction Act" that did no such thing. (gaslighting) It didn't help that people struggling financially got to see millionaires and billionaires up on the stage in Chicago telling them to feel the joy.
The import of a Venezuelan prison gang is something that working class voters could see and feel in their communities. The dems gaslighting doublespeak for 4 years that the border is secure and that it if wasn't that it was Trump's fault not only didn't work, it was outright offensive to voters. Many people support legal immigration, they don't support this bullshit where people enter the country illegally and are given housing, food, a phone, a little spending money, etc.
The economy, people are just sick of inflation now
Gas prices are high, McDonald’s prices are high, pizza prices are high, 7-11 prices are high
…and Trump won’t be able to do one thing about it. It’s 2024 not 2000
Prices change and we adapt.
Well the first thing you will see is the fall in gas prices, which will lead to lower transportation
and delivery costs, which will lead to lower interest rates. It might take one year because of the dramatic lack of new job production, but it will get done. Democrats are done for the next 12 years without change to a more middle model. JD Vance will wipe the floor with their best candidate, Josh Shapiro, because though Shapiro has a very positive way about him, Vance is brilliant and very capable. The race card bullshit will never work again without a dumb cop killing a Floyd type, or a Covid like pandemic. We, I believe have probably learned from those unfortunate and sad events.
I pay under $3 for gas right now
How low do you think it's going to go?
You’re confused. Back to Econ 101 for you.
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your woman lost, now take off
you bullshitted enough here
Relax snowflake been here awhile and not going anywhere.
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He can at least acknowledge it instead of lying that it doesn’t exist
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Trump's economic success for all races and ethnicities of the middle class, immigration and crime.
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Economy, immigration, and crime.
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The economy and the border
And they ran a poor campaign starting with Biden hanging on too long, her getting handed the nomination with no vote, her very poor communication skills, and her constant negativity.
Trump has a hell of a lot of faults but he is good for the country. As a retiree he is good for my wife and I. He is good for our relationship with Israel. He will once again
Emphasize peace through strength. I can’t wait till he purges the illegal aliens. This is going to be fun to watch.
You bring up an interesting point: The lack of a primary.
It appears now that there will be significantly fewer total votes this year than in 2020. Did some stay home because they didn't get a say in the nominee? After all, she did not poll well in the 2020 primary, and the D.N.C. obviously knew that there were doubts about her after naming her the candidate, hence the late push to admonish those who weren't getting enthusiastically on board. Would a different candidate have brought more voters out?
It’s a glaring difference between 2020 and 2024
Why, in such a critically important election, there would be 15M less total votes
Something very fishy about that…