I'm covid vaccine hesitant. Before bashing me you need to know who started this vaccine hesitancy.
Checked the linked pinned tweet.
Our hesitancies are for different reasons though. Theirs are political and cynical, mine is personal and serious.
BTW, I am not anti-vaxxx (I just got my 2-shot shingle vaccine and will consider having covid vaccine once FDA approves it or 2023 when this vaccine trial ends, whichever comes first). But I am strongly against covid vaccine on kids at this time and on those covid recovered people.
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I get your reluctance but trust me spend a day in ICU and see what I saw. This isn’t politics it’s
about the ones you love. No one dies from the vaccines. People die everyday from the virus.
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As of May 1, 2021, CDC transitioned from monitoring all reported vaccine breakthrough cases to focus on identifying and investigating only hospitalized or fatal cases due to any cause - CDC.gov
THE CDC HAS STOPPED "MONITORING" CASES OCCURING IN THE FULLY VACCINATED!
Why would you do that? Isn't that something to watch to see just how well the vaccines are "working"? So now, a case is a case; doesn't matter if you're vaccinated or not.
July 21, 2021
~40,000 new "Cases" in the USA!
~WE DON'T WANNA TALKA'BOUT how many of those "Cases" occurred in the "fully vaccinated"
Sincerely,
CDC
Follow the advice of your doctors/specialists.
Posted at 7:17 pm on Jul 24, 2021
Not some message board jackass lib who knows nothing about medicine.
I know. But they made a one-size-fits-all product(vaccine) without testing sub-population or groups
with specific health conditions. I certainly don't blame vaccine makers for this lacking of testing. They don't have time and volunteers. But this makes hard for many doctors to say anything. The vaccine makers added warning of blood clot on June 25, 6 months after rolling out the vaccine. when I talked to the doctor on beginning of May. he didn't say anything about blood clot.
This. Pretty simple, really.
I know Chris and Ty make their health decisions based on what the president says, but we should probably just do what our doctors tell us.
Ty is a racial racketeering shill who pushes the Coronahoax
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Such horse shit. It’s not like you were influenced by Kamala.
If mandates come back, it’s because of dumbasses like you.
Is loss of reading ability a vaccine side effect? I said she's political/cynical, different from me
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Leadership matters.
You used to live in terror that Trump's words might lead people to a bad decision, but if it comes words from Dems doing that, you just down play it. That is something that someone a pure partisan would do.
You need to STFU. U have no standing to tell anyone,
anything. U have been proven over and over to be a liar and a fraud
Nobody wants open borders!
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Please don't overthink it...the data we already have makes it a virtual "no brainer"...do what more
and more GOP governors are advising...Get Vaccinated.
After a family gathering today (with ID/ICU Docs ;-)), I may have more info on the status of approval for kids, etc....the last I heard informally was that after about 6 months experience with a new vaccine, it's almost unheard of for serious side effects to show up...and we've had hundreds of millions of inoculations already with acceptable side effect results.
Please don't pay any attention to "Ef"...he's a pure-bred "Anti-Vaxer"...who still thinks the mRNA vaccines affect cell nuclei and DNA...then don't.
Link: https://www.washingtonpost.com/local/covid-dc-maryland-virginia-breakthrough/2021/07/22/fd2954a6-eaf6-11eb-8950-d73b3e93ff7f_story.html
The bullshit and excuses not to get, or defend not getting the vaxx here are breathtaking.
Get the shots morons.
Really, why won’t the brothers get the shot?
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Mr. moron above, has no answer for that ?
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All of the global technotyrants and big pharmaceuticals were chomping at the bit for it, it was obviously being sold as a partisan ploy in the first place
There isn't a health officer in his right mind that would mass deploy any kind of 'medicine' that hadn't been tested for at least a few years
You're seeing what happens when people want to believe the lies
Don't mislead people just to score board political points. It is unheard of...because they are new.
The very first mRNA vaccine was used a little over a year ago. You said, "the last I heard informally was that after about 6 months experience with a new vaccine, it's almost unheard of for serious side effects to show up." For that statement to carry any weight of persuasion, you must be referring to normal vaccines (with dead or sickened virus), so your statement only applies to the Johnson & Johnson vaccine. The mRNA vaccines (Pfizer, Moderna) are too new for us to be talking about side effects being unheard of.
Having said that, I don't see people wouldn't take the J&J vaccine.
I wouldn't specifically take the J&J vaccine for several reasons....
1) Fetal cells are used in its production. It actually creates the market for abortion that we saw on the video a few years ago with the PP doctor arranging the deal. This is an absolute deal breaker to me, and were COVID a far more virulent infection, I still would not get that vaccine. Same goes for the Atra Zeneca vaccine.
I am fine with the 2 shot vaccines as they do not have this direct connection.
2) It is less efficacious.
3) It will almost assuredly require a booster.
I tell you this just as an FYI in case you didn't know. Excellent points in your posts.
Indeed, I had heard that about J&J, and just forgot when I wrote that.
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I’m talking about ALL vaccines…not just for COVID…typically, after 6 months…certainly after one year
We will have seen whatever side effects there will be.
Word on the street…approval for the 2-12 year olds, sometime this winter…unlikely before November.
Listen to the worldwide medical community…they have devoted their lives to this…
Not sure what “Ef” is devoted to…he certainly has no credentials…don’t waste your time with his nonsense.
Ask your family virologist how long vaccines typically take to be approved.
Answer will be something on the order of 10-15 years with around 7-8 of that in clinical trials. Then factor in that mRNA is new technology.
To get the vaccine is a personal choice based on risk, and the long term risks are simply unknown.
Well, you mean ALL BUT the Pfizer and the Moderna, which aren't vaccines in the traditional sense.
Your statement doesn't apply to them...but you implied strongly that it did, and then doubled down by saying "ALL" which again implies the covid vaccines are the same...but they aren't the same, which is where you are being misleading.
Ty is a racial racketeering disinformation operative who tries to distract
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Let's remember that the Wuhan Leak Hypothesis was ruled "virtually impossible".
If there's been one constant with this pandemic it is that there are no certainties.
Not only was it impossible, it was considered racist by Tyronists to voice that truth.
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Ned is right on point,the propaganda merchants like Ty use the race card to stop dissent
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You’re a grown man. Take responsibility for your decisions. Stop blaming others
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Ironic.
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Dumb!
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So I assume u r doing everything you can to not get Covid?
Following mask rules and other guidelines?
A balanced approach, I think. Mask, yes (N95 only). No travel. Airline kindly extended vouchers from
last year's cancelled travels again until Dec 31 of this year. But we have had a lot of activities since last summer. We relocated (from a super liberal neighborhood to a very liberal neighborhood, LOL). House hunting, house selling/buying, moving, remodeling....You can imagine tons of activities. I hope this delta variant is a candidate of natural vaccine, i.e. fast spread less deadly. If not, I still have patience to wait for lambda variant, gamma variant...History of virus seems to follow this path until they co-exist with human being. We all prefer physiologic immunity over obtaining immunity via vaccination, don't you?
Some of us have health risk and need to be protected so
We cant risk getting the serious issues from the virus.
If you aren’t spreading the virus and follow the guidelines then it’s your choice and you aren’t harming others needlessly.
If people ignore the vaccine and the ignore the reality of spreading and infecting others and are ignorant that their decisions can affect others, then I have a hard time accepting that choice.
The whole goal of masks and social distancing originally were to not overwhelm the healthcare system. Just know that if u get the virus during an a outbreak u may not have access to hospitals if they are full. Other than that, don’t spread it needlessly and do as you want to. Others should care if you are reasonable in your approach. But the more people have antibodies the better off we all are.
A bit confused by what you said. Let's be clear we all agree vaccine doesn't prevent infection, i.e.
don't stop virus spread. We can view the vaccine as a drug with the goal to reduce the symptoms. Anything good or bad that the vaccines provide is private, there is no public good from vaccine in term of spreading virus, right? So, there is no social responsibility to have or not to have vaccine since anything good from vaccine only benefit the person who received the vaccine.
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Gee... so this "vaccine" doesn't actually prevent someone from getting a virus?
And are most cases "mild" anyway even without the "vaxx"?
So what exactly are these "vaccines" doing? lol...
I'd take a guess, but I might be accused of spreading misinformation.
Let’s agree to disagree
https://www.forbes.com/sites/williamhaseltine/2021/03/30/moderna-and-pfizer-vaccines-prevent-infection-as-well-as-disease-key-questions-remain/amp/
OK. I agree to strongly & fundamentally disagree the implication that only unvaccinated spread virus
The science of these particular mRNA vaccines didn't say that. The empirical data from UK and Israel, the 2 fastest vaccinated countries actually are opposite to that claim. Your linked article is too old, dated on March when vaccination in U.S. was around 10%. How could they make such claim based on such incomplete data? See the linked UK data. the infected case rose sharp after their vaccination (at same time, the 2nd chart shows the hospitalized is very low despite increased cases, indicating delta variant spreads fast but seems less deadly. This is the reason why I think/hope this variant is candidate of natural vaccine).
Link: https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9814957/Britains-daily-Covid-cases-time-two-months.html
So none of us have all the answers. And perhaps someday
You will be immune naturally and I hope it happens. I made a different choice which I am equally entitled to. We should just respect each decision and do our best to protect ourselves and others.
And if I have an issue from the vaccine as time goes on so be it. I weighed the decision with the best information I had in February 2020. Not perfect but did the best I could to decide.
Vaccines are not 100% effective.
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Completely true.
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Nothing in life is. All you can do is play the odds...and don't let others stop you from living.
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They are not vaccines.The J and J is close.mRNA is gene therapy
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Please try to remember that you are insane.
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He was in the DMZ over in the Nam, show some respect.
You are such a pathetic loser.
Is that where he went crazy?
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Crazy for defending the freedom of ungrateful idiots like you.
Although I am sure he would do it all over again.
Oh blow me. Being a vet does not give you a license to post crazy, racist shit.
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Tough guy on a message board, not surprising for you.
You would never dare to say that face to face, but we all know that.
Whatever we call it, we have no long term safety/side effects data on this inorganic molecule inside
our body. That's one of many reasons that make me hesitant to take it.
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People were found to be not nearly terrorized enough by the constant covid19 memes in the hoaxers media so the “mutant virus ” campaign returned as “variants” with Greek letters in order to make them more academic and serious. “Mutants” were X -men cartoony and so inspired no fear. I think we are suppose to be afraid of each and every Greek letter and not scoff in disbelief. Whoops . No more converts to the church of covid and a few hard core believers now questioning “why vaccinate against 1 when there are so many variants?” . Simultaneously, and despite claims of multiple variants, these criminally insane politicians are targeting children in their GMO trial ( medical experimentation). The NIH don’t tell public but they have registered over “100,000 variants” which contradicts the use of injections for 1 which is why they never disclosed it . These “100K + variants of sars cov2 viruses ” are just computer generated fiction like the precursor mental infection ” covid19″ meme . No ” virus” has been isolated, purified or proven to cause disease .
Existential crisis and collective upheavals.
The goal here of a media that amplifies unconsciousness is fear. The collective fear creates the fascism we see. Its no surprise that the virus hoax was injected into the hive mind through the meme “fear of death” ( Fauci’s death charts) easily done in a culture that denies death . The media lies to us daily, whispers that we never had illness or death before ” covid19″ , claims there are no illness or deaths but those from covid19 and everyone now is said to be sick with or dying from covid19.
People use to be aware of death and appreciated the short lived life of the form. Death is inevitable. Death and body -one thing. Death is our commonality, we are all born and we die. But the essential you is not visible and cannot be found the physical realm it is timeless and perfect here and now. “There is only one life , one consciousness that manifests in countless life forms, its the indwelling presence in every life form. ” Eckhart Tolle . It knows no fear. It is an invisible pretense that inhabits the body. Which is why in these troubled times the inner revolution is needed, for when human beings know themselves in their timeless essence there is no fear of death. “Nothing real can be threatened, nothing unreal exists therein lies the peace of God” Course in Miracles. This deeper perspective from knowing thyself means to get through the collective calamity better as we are not drawn into the (media spread)collective hysteria and fear (of death) . And as consciousness we are connected, one being (our state) effects the whole of humanity as we go through this adversity.
The TPPA and the NWO.
No need to fear the UN’s NWO global govt as something that happens in the future as this is already in place and they are just waiting to come out of the closet. The virus hoax was and is a global synchronized UN operation. We can clearly see how there is no democracy, that Presidents are selected and appointed by the moneylenders not the people. That these Presidents and PMs are just corporate media spokesmen who mysteriously mimic each other and follow the same orders.
The fear of what has been for some time a constant central banking cabal (shadow govt) is utterly pointless. They rule the people through ignorance and fear . Or you could say fear rules the collective .
Fear and media mind conditioning(programming)has brought learned helplessness , unquestioning obedience to the govts rules even when those rules are unlawful and unfair.
So the antidote to the all the variants of the big lie “covID19” is the truth.
Many now are not going into the GMO trial, a large group of people are not believing the big lies . The media will tell you they and give you numbers are but the media is propaganda. And all we hear from is from the media so don’t believe the distortions.
Turn within and you will find the rock, your wisdom, yourself and let it be your grounding to weather the storm.
I agree with you.
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