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I favor slow walking Federal funds to “sanctuary cities.”

Author: Curly1918 (16450 Posts - Joined: Aug 30, 2017)

Posted at 6:45 pm on Nov 19, 2024
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I’m sure their progressive voters will be willing to pay higher taxes to make up for the shortfall AND to support all the illegals.

Link: https://www.newsweek.com/boston-mayor-vows-fight-trump-deportation-plans-1987964

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The good news is, no one has a right to make others take care of them.

Author: NedoftheHill (44675 Posts - Joined: Jun 29, 2011)

Posted at 9:30 pm on Nov 19, 2024
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We need to remind ourselves of this.

Rights are something you can do yourself, without using government force (e.g., taxation) to coerce others to assist you...like practice your religion, or practice free speech, or keep and bear arms. All of those can be done on your own, without assistance by others. If you lose the ability to do one of those things, your rights have been violated.

Power is something you exercise when you use the power of government to force others to assist you to do something...like provide "free" housing, "free" education, "free" food, "free" genital mutilation to children, using government funds. You may develop the political clout such that you have the power to do these things, but you don't have the right to do them. If you lose that power, your rights aren't being violated...you just lost an election, that is all.

The left loves to use the term "right" as a synonym for the exercise of political power, because it makes it harder to take that power away from them. But, the two things are very different, and they are lying when they use the word "right" to refer to their exercise of political power.


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Evil preaches tolerance until it is dominant, then it tries to silence good.
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Such Rights have been created through our democratic process...learn them, so that you don't

Author: TyroneIrish (20449 Posts - Joined: Oct 8, 2020)

Posted at 10:30 pm on Nov 19, 2024
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illegally deny them.

As for your other issues...Article 1 gives our ELECTED Government the Right to impose taxes...The 1st Amendment precludes imposing a religion on citizens...Laws restrict speech that can cause harm...and not all firearms are permitted in the hands of citizens...by law. And a party in power has no Right to impose its Ideology w/o Due Process.

Trump has demonstrated his disregard for our laws...he is a criminal without regard for Morals, Ethics, our Constitution and Laws...this country will return to Law & Order...the sooner the better.


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Futher point: The government does not have rights; it only has enumerated powers.

Author: NedoftheHill (44675 Posts - Joined: Jun 29, 2011)

Posted at 12:41 am on Nov 20, 2024
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The Constitution grants no rights. It tries to protect rights of the people. It grants powers to the government. You mislead when you say the Constitution give the government a "right." The government doesn't have the right to impose taxes; it has the power to impose taxes. Very different things.

Your party has demonstrated its disregard for the law. They even just admitted it on camera in Pennsylvania. Do you condemn them? Of course you don't, because you crave power for your party at any cost. People have noticed, and that is why Trump won.


Evil preaches tolerance until it is dominant, then it tries to silence good.
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Speaking of Power...and its abuse...DJT would be in prison right now for the crimes he committed

Author: TyroneIrish (20449 Posts - Joined: Oct 8, 2020)

Posted at 1:02 am on Nov 20, 2024
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over three years ago...thanks to Mitch McConnell using his Power to stack the SCOTUS in favor of the GOP, which in turn uses its Power to Delay...Delay...Delay what every American should have known by now...Trump is guilty of an attempted Insurrection, among other crimes...you know this and yet you support him. You are patently dishonest.

Don't try to Project your own failures on others.


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I agree that the attempt to put him in prison is a good example of abuse of power.

Author: NedoftheHill (44675 Posts - Joined: Jun 29, 2011)

Posted at 12:21 pm on Nov 20, 2024
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Evil preaches tolerance until it is dominant, then it tries to silence good.
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Rights are not created. They exist. Power is created. Power can be legitimately taken away.

Author: NedoftheHill (44675 Posts - Joined: Jun 29, 2011)

Posted at 12:22 am on Nov 20, 2024
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An election can strip one side of power. An election cannot remove rights. That is why you lie to your party members, and refer to the exercise of power as if it is a right. You don't want to lose the power you are using, and if people accept that power is a right, then it cannot be taken away. But, you are lying when you do that.

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"Does The US Constitution Protect Undocumented Immigrants?"...Answer:...

Author: TyroneIrish (20449 Posts - Joined: Oct 8, 2020)

Posted at 12:38 am on Nov 20, 2024
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The Constitution protects all people living in the United States, regardless of immigration status. Most constitutional provisions apply based on personhood, not citizenship. In other words, if an individual is physically present in the US, they are entitled to the protections granted by the Constitution. This includes the right to due process and equal protection under the law.

The Fifth Amendment, for example, states that “No person shall be deprived of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law.” And the Fourteenth Amendment uses the Due Process Clause that describes the legal obligation of all state governments to provide equal protection of the laws to all persons, regardless of immigration status. So while undocumented immigrants are not specifically mentioned in the Constitution, they are still protected by its principles.

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Let's ALL hold DJT accountable to our Constitutionally protected rights as he goes about his "Mass Deportation" of immigrants...agree?


Link: https://clearwaterlawgrouptricities.com/5-rights-of-undocumented-immigrants/

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We don’t need no stinkin constitution. We have Orange.

Author: Frank L (64681 Posts - Joined: Sep 20, 2007)

Posted at 12:22 pm on Nov 20, 2024
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Texas Tribune:..."In Texas, lawmakers don't mess with employers of undocumented workers"

Author: TyroneIrish (20449 Posts - Joined: Oct 8, 2020)

Posted at 8:45 pm on Nov 19, 2024
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It'll be very interesting to see how Trump's 'Mass Deportation' actually plays out in Texas...or in Iowa's meat packing cities...etc., etc.

Link: https://www.texastribune.org/2016/12/14/lawmakers-go-easy-employers-undocumented-workers/#:~:text=Personalize%20The%20Trib-,In%20Texas%2C%20lawmakers%20don't%20mess%20with%20employers%20of%20undocumented,businesses%20that%20employ%20undocumented%20workers

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"What constitutional rights do undocumented immigrants have?"...Yes, they do have rights...

Author: TyroneIrish (20449 Posts - Joined: Oct 8, 2020)

Posted at 8:40 pm on Nov 19, 2024
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...read the attached article...there will be many stories that come out of DJT's efforts toward the "Greatest Mass Deportation" in the nation's history...where's the money going to come from to carry this out?

Link: https://www.pbs.org/newshour/politics/what-constitutional-rights-do-undocumented-immigrants-have

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Give them the money but then arrest and prosecute marijuana sales

Author: LanceManion (7940 Posts - Joined: Jul 16, 2010)

Posted at 8:39 pm on Nov 19, 2024
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Force them to fund the Medicaid and benefits to illegals through loss of MJ tax revenue. Watch how quick the residents of the state get their priorities straight.

Imposing corporate abuse, neglect and greed on deserving victims.
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"What are Sanctuary Cities and Why do They Exist?"...

Author: TyroneIrish (20449 Posts - Joined: Oct 8, 2020)

Posted at 8:36 pm on Nov 19, 2024
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...from the attached article, this is an example of what transpires in a Sanctuary City...
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What Does a Sanctuary City Policy Really Do?

In terms of immigration issues, sanctuary city policies are often designed to respond to a series of events involving undocumented individuals. The following is an example of such a series of events, and how the sanctuary policies apply.

Initial Contact with Law Enforcement: This is often something relatively common, such as an officer pulling over a car for speeding or responding to a domestic incident. This initial contact has nothing to do with citizenship status.

Law Enforcement Detains an Individual: Law enforcement books and takes fingerprints of the individual at the local or county jail. Per protocol, these fingerprints go through the FBI database. ICE regulations require that state and federal agents share information regarding inmates.

ICE Gets Involved: If ICE records show the individual is undocumented, ICE sends a request to the local jail to detain the individual for an additional 48 hours beyond the original release day and time. This time buffer allows ICE to seek a warrant and begin the deportation process.

Local Authorities React:According to the U.S. Department of Homeland Security, local officers do not have to comply with ICE requests for additional detention, because doing so is a violation of the Fourth Amendment.

The reaction of the local authorities depends on any sanctuary policies in place. Cities or counties with sanctuary policies typically decline the requests and release the individual once the appropriate time for the initial contact has been met. This might be because of charges dropped, bail set and met, or no jail time sentenced. Some sanctuary cities will reject all detain requests they receive from ICE, while others comply under certain circumstances including gang involvement, prior felony records, or terrorist watch list status.

Cities without sanctuary policies often comply with ICE and detain the individual while ICE seeks a warrant for deportation. The undocumented individual might remain in the local jail during the deportation process, or ICE might transfer that person to a federal prison. Jails and prisons that detain undocumented immigrants often receive federal funds for doing so.

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Note the symbiotic relationship between ICE and Private Prisons...i.e. the 'Jail First...ask questions later'. from the experience of Trump's "Zero Tolerance" program in his first term, it's a good chance this time it will be on steroids.


Link: https://www.globalrefuge.org/news/what-are-sanctuary-cities-and-why-do-they-exist-lirs/

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Not very empathetic Curls. Also likely illegal, not that this would stop your crowd.

Author: Frank L (64681 Posts - Joined: Sep 20, 2007)

Posted at 7:00 pm on Nov 19, 2024
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Would you take any action to thwart sanctuary cities? Or, do you support sanctuary cities?

Author: NedoftheHill (44675 Posts - Joined: Jun 29, 2011)

Posted at 9:33 pm on Nov 19, 2024
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Evil preaches tolerance until it is dominant, then it tries to silence good.
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I neither support sanctuary cities or mass deportations.Do you support mass deportations?

Author: Frank L (64681 Posts - Joined: Sep 20, 2007)

Posted at 9:42 pm on Nov 19, 2024
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Do you support porous borders, active import to interior, sex changes for them? You voted for it.

Author: NedoftheHill (44675 Posts - Joined: Jun 29, 2011)

Posted at 12:32 am on Nov 20, 2024
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Answer to your question:

Prior to the open border mess being created, I would say: Increase immigration greatly by streamlining the legal process...clear the backlog, and make it easier for more to line up...make sure they embrace our culture like the Hispanics do. While doing that, cut off all social welfare programs for immigrants. Only allow private charity to help them. Private charities will step up. Let 'em in; let 'em work to make America great. Go to the model for immigration which made America great before.

But, that is apparently not an option. Apparently I must choose between open borders and full government aid, or "mass deportation." OK, then I guess the latter, since we can't afford the former. But, I think that is not a fair choice, since there are many options between the extremes. I would halt the active importation of illegals while leaving those who legally apply on 15 year waiting lists. At a minimum, we can start deporting any illegal arrested. I wouldn't call that "mass deportation," but the Left likely would. Would you?


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False choice. You can be against the things above and still also be against mass deportations.

Author: Frank L (64681 Posts - Joined: Sep 20, 2007)

Posted at 9:51 am on Nov 20, 2024
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I am against porous borders which also means I’m against import to the exterior. I am completely opposed to mass deportations. On the sex changes, take that up with the federal courts. They have mandated provision of such procedures for incarcerated people when certain conditions are met. Do I agree with it, no? Is it the law, yes. It applies to all those incarcerated including illegals.

You people will go down the same road of going to far that did in Biden and the left on letting migrants into the nation. The impact both economically and morally of what you propose to do will be devastating. I will be laughing at the clowns complaining about inflation in food prices and other items and services after this takes place.


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