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Nah tariffs won’t raise consumer prices…..suckers.

Author: Frank L (64681 Posts - Joined: Sep 20, 2007)

Posted at 1:58 pm on Dec 8, 2024
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Link: https://www.yahoo.com/finance/news/3-major-retailers-raise-prices-150119217.html

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Do you think the tariffs will give us 9% inflation, $5.00 gallon gas and 7% interest rates?

Author: MuskyTommy (3947 Posts - Joined: Feb 7, 2012)

Posted at 7:23 pm on Dec 8, 2024
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It took Orange’s mismanaged pandemic to do that. Round 2 and its impacts are still up in the air.

Author: Frank L (64681 Posts - Joined: Sep 20, 2007)

Posted at 8:15 pm on Dec 8, 2024
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With an assist by Orange’s pal’s war of aggression in Ukraine.

He will cause inflation and price increases though contrary to his BS campaign.


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Yea the Biden/Harris disaster was Trump’s fault. I think 75 million disagree with you.

Author: MuskyTommy (3947 Posts - Joined: Feb 7, 2012)

Posted at 3:13 pm on Dec 9, 2024
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The inflation that cost her the election was caused by the mismanaged pandemic and Putin’s war for

Author: Frank L (64681 Posts - Joined: Sep 20, 2007)

Posted at 5:54 pm on Dec 9, 2024
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oil prices. The party in power gets the blame whether it’s their fault or not. Let’s hear the tune you sing after the Orange inflation begins next year as it will if he carries out even some of his promises. Prices gonna be going way up my friend.

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Trump only "mismanaged" Covid because the Great Fauchino falsely said HCQ+ didn't work

Author: MarkHarman (7276 Posts - Original UHND Member)

Posted at 11:30 pm on Dec 8, 2024
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We wound up doing what all the "experts" said we should do - wear masks, close businesses and schools, and develop and get a vaccine. But on your expert opinion, what else should we have done?

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For three full years, Trump failed to replenish N95 masks and ventilators that Obama's admin. had

Author: TyroneIrish (20444 Posts - Joined: Oct 8, 2020)

Posted at 1:33 am on Dec 9, 2024
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called for in its "Pandemic Preparedness Plan" (in the "National Strategic Stockpile"), along with advice on how to improve communication across the country on testing, etc, given to DJT during the transition...thereby leaving the nation with insufficient amounts for all our hospital staffs and front line personnel...and nothing for the hundreds of millions of citizens...thus contributing to many deaths during the early days of the pandemic...then, DJT...after telling Bob Woodward that he knew how deadly COVID-19 was, he told the nation it was nothing but a Dem Hoax...then it was just like the Flu...and finally that it would go away on its own by Easter, or when the weather turned warm...That's what you call "Mismanagement", or more accurately..."Criminal Negligence".

4 yrs and counting...still no HC system on earth prescribes HCQ+ as a treatment for COVID-19...Ride On Mr. Quixote!!


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Much of what you wrote is just factually untrue

Author: MarkHarman (7276 Posts - Original UHND Member)

Posted at 8:10 pm on Dec 9, 2024
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N95 masks and ventilators were largely depleted in 2009 and the Obama administration did almost nothing to replenish:

https://www.pbs.org/wgbh/frontline/article/depleted-national-stockpile-contributed-to-covid-ppe-shortage

Trump did not say Covid-19 was a Dem hoax. He said the Democrats' criticism of him was a hoax. (As an aside, why do you consistently get details wrong?)

As for "criminal negligence," Trump gave the Great Fauchino the megaphone early and often. No one didn't know how bad the virus was.

As for HCQ+, the fact that major health systems don't and didn't use it is a great failure and a damning testament to the Great Fauchino's influence, who single-handedly caused the deaths of over 500,000 Americans (per Dr. Risch's excellent research) because he falsely said HCQ+ didn't work when it most certainly did. And there are thousands of people alive today who otherwise wouldn't be because their doctors did use HCQ+, such as Dr. George Fareed.

I don't expect you to read this link (although you hypocritically insist others read your endless ones), but Dr. Fareed lays out a great case here on why HCQ+ works.


Link: Fareed Open Letter to Great Fauchino

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Orange's pandemic. Nice. Meanwhile, Biden will pardon the guy who funded PRC Covid development...

Author: NedoftheHill (44670 Posts - Joined: Jun 29, 2011)

Posted at 8:21 pm on Dec 8, 2024
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...with your tax dollars.

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yeah, the one he mismanaged and got shown the door for doing so and then tried to illegally stay in

Author: Frank L (64681 Posts - Joined: Sep 20, 2007)

Posted at 8:33 pm on Dec 8, 2024
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office, that one

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yeah, the one Fauci funded. That one.

Author: NedoftheHill (44670 Posts - Joined: Jun 29, 2011)

Posted at 9:58 pm on Dec 8, 2024
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Show us your evidence, Ned...no one else seems to have come up with it...why are you hiding it?

Author: TyroneIrish (20444 Posts - Joined: Oct 8, 2020)

Posted at 1:35 am on Dec 9, 2024
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rolleyes.

Author: NedoftheHill (44670 Posts - Joined: Jun 29, 2011)

Posted at 2:04 pm on Dec 9, 2024
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Evil preaches tolerance until it is dominant, then it tries to silence good.
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Did someone suggest that tariffs would not raise prices?

Author: NedoftheHill (44670 Posts - Joined: Jun 29, 2011)

Posted at 4:19 pm on Dec 8, 2024
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I thought tariffs were to protect US jobs and protect US national security.

Evil preaches tolerance until it is dominant, then it tries to silence good.
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Pallets of cash, Mega billions for Ukraine war, and appeasement is so much cheaper, right? :)

Author: BaronVonZemo (59926 Posts - Joined: Nov 19, 2010)

Posted at 7:19 pm on Dec 8, 2024
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(Pssst...it was their $$$, Baron ;-))

Author: TyroneIrish (20444 Posts - Joined: Oct 8, 2020)

Posted at 7:55 pm on Dec 8, 2024
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Are you saying it was wrong to freeze their assets? And, why did we give it to them in cash?

Author: NedoftheHill (44670 Posts - Joined: Jun 29, 2011)

Posted at 8:25 pm on Dec 8, 2024
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Especially when they fund terrorist organizations with cash? Why do you still support helping to fund terrorist organizations? A smiley face just makes your support of terror more heinous.

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Author: NedoftheHill (44670 Posts - Joined: Jun 29, 2011)

Posted at 2:05 pm on Dec 9, 2024
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Your words...not mine. The attached article spells out the deal, including why the $400M was in cash

Author: TyroneIrish (20444 Posts - Joined: Oct 8, 2020)

Posted at 1:18 am on Dec 9, 2024
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...here is an excerpt from that article...
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US officials said cash had to be flown in because existing US sanctions ban American dollars from being used in a transaction with Iran and because Iran could not access the global financial system due to international sanctions it was under at the time. The details of the how the transaction occurred were first reported by The Wall Street Journal. CNN reported in January that the transfer of funds had been arrangement.

The money was procured from central banks in Switzerland and the Netherlands, official said, and an unmarked cargo plane loaded with Swiss francs, euros and other currencies were flown to Iran.

“They were totally cut off from global banks and there was no other way to get them the money,” one senior official with knowledge of the transaction said.


While the cash transaction took place the same day as the release of Washington Post reporter Jason Rezaian and the other Americans, administration officials insist the payment did not constitute ransom and that there were was no quid pro quo for the payment. They said the agreement on the release of the prisoners dovetailed with the resolution of parallel negotiations over the dispute of the failed arms deal.

“It’s against the policy of the United States to pay ransom for hostages,” White House spokesman Josh Earnest said Wednesday.

He described the payment as a “conscious strategic decision that was made on the part of the Obama administration as we were implementing the deal to prevent Iran from obtaining a nuclear weapon to resolve other longstanding concerns we had with Iran.”

“That included securing the release of five American citizens who had been unjustly detained in Iran, and closing out a longstanding financial dispute in a way that saved the American people potentially billions of dollars,” he said.

n return for the US citizens’ release, the US dropped extradition requests for 14 Iranian citizens and freed seven. Former FBI agent Robert Levinson, who disappeared in Iran in 2007, remains missing.

Earnest cast those using the new details about the palettes of cash as people “flailing to justify their continued opposition to the deal to prevent Iran from obtaining a nuclear weapon.”

The $400 million was Iran’s to start with, placed into a US-based trust fund to support American military equipment purchases in the 1970s. When the Shah was ousted by a 1979 popular uprising that led to the creation of the Islamic Republic, the US froze the trust fund. Iran has been fighting for a return of the funds through international courts since 1981.

In announcing the agreement, Obama said that paying the $400 million – plus $1.3 billion in interest – was saving American taxpayers billions of dollars. The Iranians had been seeking more than $10 billion at arbitration.

“For the United States, this settlement saved us billions of dollars that could have been pursued by Iran,” Obama said in January. “There was no benefit to the United States in dragging this out.”

As it was making the January cash delivery, the US also imposed new sanctions on Iran over its ballistic missile testing. At the same time, the White House unfroze a larger pool of Iranian assets, estimated at $100 to $150 billion, as part of the nuclear deal, though administration officials cautioned that Iran would only pocket about $50 billion after legal claims.

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In point of fact, the U.S. not only got the release of hostages...but importantly achieved the JCPOA agreement that the IAEA verified had achieved its goal of keeping Iran from accumulating sufficient Uranium and/or Plutonium to make a nuclear weapon...i.e. we, and other signatories to the agreement, got what we wanted from Iran...it was not a hostage deal or they would have never agreed to have IAEA inspectors on the ground in their country, personally verifying compliance.

Now, aren't you glad you have someone to keep you educated on important events? ;-)


Link: https://www.cnn.com/2016/08/03/politics/us-sends-plane-iran-400-million-cash/index.html

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I asked a question in the form of words. You didn't answer, by noting I used words. Great debate!

Author: NedoftheHill (44670 Posts - Joined: Jun 29, 2011)

Posted at 2:08 pm on Dec 9, 2024
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That explanation was bullshit, by the way. It is ok to avoid sanctions by using cash?...that's your position? Or, were you just addressing the mechanics of the transfer (easier to use cash)? You don't seem to have commented whether you support the cash being released in a form that helps Iran support terror. Not possible to have an actual discussion with you.

Evil preaches tolerance until it is dominant, then it tries to silence good.
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Believe your boy Orange did during the campaign. Anyone credible, no?

Author: Frank L (64681 Posts - Joined: Sep 20, 2007)

Posted at 4:23 pm on Dec 8, 2024
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Of course now he’s backing away from it but he promised to lower prices during the campaign. Suckers,

Link: https://oklahomavoice.com/2024/12/03/donald-trump-promised-to-bring-down-prices-but-experts-say-his-tariff-plans-will-do-the-opposite/

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No way prices will go down. The US must inflate the dollar to deal with the debt. Not a voting issue

Author: NedoftheHill (44670 Posts - Joined: Jun 29, 2011)

Posted at 6:42 pm on Dec 8, 2024
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If they can truly slash regulations, then perhaps a boom could happen, which would help to pay the debt...but who am I kidding. We've passed the point of the last remaining good options for the debt. Either they layoff half the government and cut benefits and spending (causing deflationary depression) r they super-inflate the dollar. Tariffs are noise, and it looks like he will primarily use the threat of tariffs to motivate other countries to behave more in our interests...doesn't seem to be a price lever.

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Except when you lie about it like he did. Inflated prices under Biden was a huge part of his lying

Author: Frank L (64681 Posts - Joined: Sep 20, 2007)

Posted at 6:47 pm on Dec 8, 2024
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sack of shit campaign. It was clearly a voting issue that he ran on. Backing off on it now.

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I'm glad you finally found a reason not to vote for Trump.

Author: NedoftheHill (44670 Posts - Joined: Jun 29, 2011)

Posted at 8:20 pm on Dec 8, 2024
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Evil preaches tolerance until it is dominant, then it tries to silence good.
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Non sequitor Neddie cause you have nothing to say. I wouldn’t have voted for him under any

Author: Frank L (64681 Posts - Joined: Sep 20, 2007)

Posted at 8:30 pm on Dec 8, 2024
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circumstances. However to say that price increases and inflation are non voting issues is to put it charitably, not true and you know it. Only now when it’s over and he doesn’t have to run again does he grudgingly admit the truth.

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I was speaking for myself. I'm sure he will try to decrease inflation. But, it's a complicated issue

Author: NedoftheHill (44670 Posts - Joined: Jun 29, 2011)

Posted at 8:43 pm on Dec 8, 2024
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He may succeed briefly, but in the long run, we have to choose between (i) DOGE, severe government cuts in spending, and laying off a million US civil servants...and likely a resulting deflationary depression, and (ii) inflating the USD to make our interest payments possible (with accompanying economic chaos and hardship for the world as it scrambles away from the USD back to gold or some other standard).

I don't think the rich and powerful will allow deflation because it would devastate their holdings, and I don't think voters will allow cuts in spending, so option 1 is absolutely dead on arrival. DOGE will help, assuming they actually get anything done. It is the first sign that anyone seems to want to take deficit spending seriously, so who knows. They might be able to extend the time we have to act...although I wonder if that is really a good idea, since repeatedly extending the time to act is what got us here.

But, in the end, we will most likely have to inflate the dollar, regardless of how people voted. In that respect, voters are always suckers, regardless of which party they voted for, because either they voted thinking their candidate can fix the situation or they voted on issues that were less important. Either way, they don't really understand the financial situation this country is in.


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I think we both know all that, but he’s the one that “uncomplicated” it to get elected.

Author: Frank L (64681 Posts - Joined: Sep 20, 2007)

Posted at 9:05 pm on Dec 8, 2024
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He and all of his minions can live with the results.

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Happily, the results will not be as harmful for them than they would be if Harris had won.

Author: NedoftheHill (44670 Posts - Joined: Jun 29, 2011)

Posted at 9:16 pm on Dec 8, 2024
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Meanwhile, Tyrone can keep trying to force everyone to vote, so that even more people who don't understand the issues are deciding which party wins, and we can each make fun of the other side as morons and suckers even more than we do now.

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Untrue according to many economists.

Author: Frank L (64681 Posts - Joined: Sep 20, 2007)

Posted at 9:15 am on Dec 9, 2024
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True according to many economists.

Author: NedoftheHill (44670 Posts - Joined: Jun 29, 2011)

Posted at 2:11 pm on Dec 9, 2024
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Economics is pretty speculative, with a lot of variables affecting the future. Each of us can only make our best guess, and then call the other person a moron. It's the American way.

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Let’s just see how it turns out. My bet is on significant inflationary pressure.

Author: Frank L (64681 Posts - Joined: Sep 20, 2007)

Posted at 2:19 pm on Dec 9, 2024
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So offset them with lower corporate tax rates

Author: MarkHarman (7276 Posts - Original UHND Member)

Posted at 3:54 pm on Dec 8, 2024
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Funny how liberals don't care if prices go up for that reason, though.

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Yep. Fixing the reasons for the tariffs will save much more + they won’t need to last long….

Author: BaronVonZemo (59926 Posts - Joined: Nov 19, 2010)

Posted at 7:03 pm on Dec 8, 2024
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…..they are our best leverage. China and others will capitulate. They have to do so.

This is SO much better than more appeasement and check writing.


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And?

Author: Frank L (64681 Posts - Joined: Sep 20, 2007)

Posted at 6:18 pm on Dec 8, 2024
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What?...and leave less money for the Child Tax Credits you needed and enjoyed?

Author: TyroneIrish (20444 Posts - Joined: Oct 8, 2020)

Posted at 5:39 pm on Dec 8, 2024
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Nice.

Author: Frank L (64681 Posts - Joined: Sep 20, 2007)

Posted at 8:42 pm on Dec 8, 2024
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