What is missing in California's current fire fighting?
For wildfire like current one in California, you always need both air attack and ground game.
You use fire fight planes to attack the fire at first and then use firefighters on the ground to finish the job.
Enough said about the ground game. Poor water management limited fire fighters' ground game as we've known, "completely dry" situation.
So, air attacking is becoming more important. But California doesn't have the most advanced fire fighting plane. (Canadian CL-415, currently used, is a very good fire fighting plane, but it is still small for large California wildfire). Why?
Because the US has sanctioned the best fire fighting plane in the world.
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You don’t think they use air assets to fight fires?…
That’s just a stupid assumption.
When Santa Ana winds are blowing 70-100 mph, air assets are grounded. Also when winds are at gale force speeds, it doesn’t matter how many fire fighters / air assets you have, shit will burn and burn fast.
And California has the largest aerial firefighting fleet in the world.
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Link: https://www.fire.ca.gov/what-we-do/fire-protection/aviation-program
Are they electric, and have the pilots been made properly diverse?
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I couldn’t care less if they’re electric or if the pilots are trannies…
Just put out the fires while the winds have died down.
Seriously…the Santa Ana winds aren’t to be fucked with. There’s nothing you can do when it’s blowing at 70-100 miles an hour and those were the conditions.
I’d care if the person was picked for being a trans rather than for his skill/merit. But hey….
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Well, if your house in scUM land is threatened by fires or any other…
natural disaster, I’ll leave it up to you to ensure that the first responders aren’t DEI hires. Hopefully your house will be ok during your DEI inspection.
Intentionally obtuse. This is a big diff between you and I…
…I want the best people hired based on merit …and I don’t care what their characteristics are.
You care about characteristics first over merit.
Its not surprising though. I’m a merit guy, while you are not.
I know your idiocy is involuntary, but at least try to make sense…
This thread was started by your Chicom chum. He spewed bull shit, so I guess it’s ok that you do as well. Par for the course.
You avoid. I'm a merit over characteristics guy, while you're a characteristics over merit he/him.
..or did I get your pronouns wrong?
Where in this thread made any mention of that?
When I responded to your stupid comment about “electric planes and diverse pilots”…I took your comment as nothing more than a feeble attempt at politicizing this tragedy, which you and your ilk are very good at.
Of course everyone would prefer that a pilot and a first responder are hired because of their qualifications. Can you prove that the LAFD and other California fire depts don’t hire the best they can get? Of course you can’t, because you just make shit up to fit your binary political narrative. Sad way to live.
That's why you need Be-200. Those helicopters are just toys under CA costal wind.
Made exception for once to respond your ignorant post for the sake of this tragedy in your home state.
Nobody wants shit Russian technology other than treasonous cunt Chicoms…
You are a dumb piece of shit who thinks he/she has a valid remedy. Stay in your Chicom lane. You don’t know what you’re talking about and you’ve still failed to address the gale force Santa Ana winds… I highly doubt your Russian pieces of shit could safely fly in 70-100 mph winds at 100-300 above the ground.
Re: What is missing in California's current fire fighting?
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Link: https://m.youtube.com/shorts/mufMde3abQQ
Yes, that's for ground game, a part of whole fire fighting strategy. Air game is missing too
, especially considering CA politicians don't want to build more reservoirs and bring more water to southern CA and coastal CA. Then the only way is you need large planes to scoop water from sea nearby to fight wild fire.
Was just throwing that out there, I agree with you
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It's Beriev Be-200, a jet-powered amphibious water-scooping plane made by Russia.
The best fire fighting plane in the world.
Effective, affordable and proven. It was used to battle forest fires not just in Russia, but also Turkey, Portugal, Greece, Spain, Indonesia and Israel.
Link: https://x.com/o_betoaraujo/status/1645907130380341248
Is there fresh water where this plane can scoop nearby?
Salt water is only used as a last resort.
Link: https://www.msn.com/en-us/weather/topstories/why-doesn-t-la-just-put-the-fires-out-using-ocean-water/ar-BB1ro9nF?ocid=msedgntp&pc=DCTS&cvid=a397a44c1c3647a69223548a54cf8cd3&ei=32
Air plane's salt water won't affect fire fighters on the ground who can still use fresh water with
their equipments. So, the first issue from your link is non-existent in thus case. The 2nd issue is environmental concern. I would say we need further investigation on long term effect of salt water. Nature is pretty resilient. Also, it worth using salt water if the wild fire is at very beginning stage, but the wind speed is at 60 mile. The jet- powered airplane, even with salt water, is the most effective in this situation to control fire.
No dumb ass…
If winds are blowing over 50 mph, planes and helicopters are grounded. If you knew anything about aeronautics, you’d know that the payloads the aircraft carries makes the planes less stable on top of the fact that they have to fly at 100 feet in order to drop fire retardant and or water. You’re stupid as fuck and a disgrace: how the fuck did you get through immigration?