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While it will take an act of congress to eliminate the department of education…

Author: Domer From Hell (16335 Posts - Original UHND Member)

Posted at 1:23 pm on Feb 4, 2025
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Is this truly a smart thing to do? And Linda McMahon as the secretary of education? Really?

What happens to special needs kids? I’m a bit naive on this subject now that my kids are in college, however I do have friends that have kids in public grade and high schools.


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Thread Level: 2

I can't think of a reason we need a national Dep. Of Education.

Author: NedoftheHill (44675 Posts - Joined: Jun 29, 2011)

Posted at 4:55 pm on Feb 4, 2025
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I don't see why my state and local school district can't deal with special needs kids. Is there a reason you brought that particular issue up? Why would we need a cabinet level position to handle those kids?

Evil preaches tolerance until it is dominant, then it tries to silence good.
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The reasons I brought it up…

Author: Domer From Hell (16335 Posts - Original UHND Member)

Posted at 5:42 pm on Feb 4, 2025
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1…President Trump wants to appoint Linda McMahon as DOE secretary. Odd choice to say the least.

2…PA aptly pointed out that federal funds consist of 10-13% of most states education budgets. Taking that away would be a major blow.

3…special education and special needs kids are often marginalized. My fear is that without federal funding, they’d be even more marginalized.

4…I don’t want a bigger government, but when it comes to public education, it’s better to have more “checks and balances.”


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Thread Level: 4

Obama' used the department to limit schools' ability to suspend disruptive (or worse) students.

Author: jakers (13888 Posts - Original UHND Member)

Posted at 5:54 pm on Feb 4, 2025
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I know you don't care for MAS, but ask him for stories about the effect of this "restorative" initiative. That administration decided that certain demographics were disproportionately affected by basic school discipline, and that it was worse for the students to be out of school unsupervised than in school.

The issue is that this completely ignored the impact on other students' safety and ability to learn.


Thread Level: 5

I like MAS. He’s a damn good poster in my opinion…

Author: Domer From Hell (16335 Posts - Original UHND Member)

Posted at 6:03 pm on Feb 4, 2025
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I’m sure there are issues with DOE. My fear is that the state of education could be worse without it.

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Thread Level: 2

Here's $815 M in low-hanging fruit. Institute for Education Sciences.

Author: LanceManion (7940 Posts - Joined: Jul 16, 2010)

Posted at 3:57 pm on Feb 4, 2025
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Of all the advanced learning disciplines, education is far and away the least rigorous. Think new math, core curriculum. whole word reading, etc. These knuckleheads took something that worked well and bastardized it until it's become an abomination.

From the most recent funding request: Provides $815 million for the Institute of Education Sciences, a $7.9 million increase, to conduct, provide and share research and scientific evidence in education, including expanding research and development to support practices in teaching and learning (i.e., DEI bullshit), and to collect data on the real time impacts of the COVID-19 pandemic on K-12 education


Imposing corporate abuse, neglect and greed on deserving victims.
Thread Level: 2

Most decisions are at the State and local level.

Author: PaND (2720 Posts - Joined: Dec 4, 2022)

Posted at 3:44 pm on Feb 4, 2025
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School lunch and special ed are probably the biggest Fed programs. In our district Fed money is less than 10% of budget.

Thread Level: 3

Good point. It’s about 13% here from what I’ve read…

Author: Domer From Hell (16335 Posts - Original UHND Member)

Posted at 4:17 pm on Feb 4, 2025
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Still a lot of money. Hopefully it’s not cut off completely.

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Thread Level: 3

I'd like to see better oversight of how the federal funds are used.

Author: jakers (13888 Posts - Original UHND Member)

Posted at 3:57 pm on Feb 4, 2025
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Are they going towards retention bonuses for the best teachers (i.e., the ones whose students are performing above the mean on standardized tests)? That's a great thing. Are they going towards adding to bloated administrations that don't have a quantifiable benefit to the students? Not good.

And as you point out, these additional funds are often just spent on excess stuff, i.e., "we'd better use it or we won't get it all next year." My children's school system does a great job with their budget, but when we flooded schools with "pandemic" funding, there was so much left over that we didn't need that they just applied it towards the cafeteria funds and gave school lunch for free. That was certainly nice, but it's the sort of thing that's not entirely necessary for the majority of families, and added up over the thousands of school districts across the country, we'd be better off just applying it against the national debt.


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The plans I’ve seen before wanted to give to money directly to the states.

Author: PaND (2720 Posts - Joined: Dec 4, 2022)

Posted at 5:55 pm on Feb 4, 2025
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And let them put it where it was needed. No need for a huge Bureaucracy.

Thread Level: 2

you mean the department of indoctrination.

Author: und67 (6797 Posts - Original UHND Member)

Posted at 2:12 pm on Feb 4, 2025
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all you have to do is read this board to see that the educational system has totally failed and what it produces now.

people can't read, can't spell, don't even know what a preposition is any more much less which pronoun to use as the object (à la: "between you and i"), plus many, many other failures.

math (and i really mean arithmetic here), is no better. have a store computer go down and see if the clerk can make change. not even close.

classrooms are chaotic cesspools of self defense.

it gets worse: the teachers are now a product of this corrupt and inept system, so they are no longer capable of raising the level of learning.

adios department of education and good riddance. start over with education as a true, measurable goal.


msm, dnc, antifa, blm: trying to kill america.
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I'm fine with a Department of Education. But it needs some serious reform.

Author: jakers (13888 Posts - Original UHND Member)

Posted at 2:56 pm on Feb 4, 2025
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The Student Loan industry is an unmitigated failure, regardless of which side of the political aisle you fall on. I don't need to list its screw-ups, other than the fact that it's so bad that the government has discussed bailing everyone out of it. Oversight, monitoring, and accountability have been found to be seriously lacking in its K-12 spending, while the aggregate results of seen in student performance have been well below acceptable.

We should be spending on education. But how the funds are being used is an issue.


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That I agree with…

Author: Domer From Hell (16335 Posts - Original UHND Member)

Posted at 2:59 pm on Feb 4, 2025
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I don’t address student loans. Total mess of a system.

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Obamacare nationalized the student loan system. Got snuck into the bill.

Author: NedoftheHill (44675 Posts - Joined: Jun 29, 2011)

Posted at 5:04 pm on Feb 4, 2025
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No one read the bill before passing it, so it wasn't reported until afterward.

The people who do things like that are the same type of people who will fight against reform of the Dept. Of Ed. We'll get a reform bill, and the next thing you know, the budget of that department will double.


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Evil preaches tolerance until it is dominant, then it tries to silence good.
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That's what a Private Banker...the "Middle Man" in this case...would say...read the linked

Author: TyroneIrish (20449 Posts - Joined: Oct 8, 2020)

Posted at 5:32 pm on Feb 4, 2025
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article to learn the truth about what happened.

Link: https://www.politifact.com/factchecks/2012/may/14/rob-portman/rob-portman-says-student-loan-money-was-used-cover/

Thread Level: 5

Your candidate just had 4 years to do something about it and took a nap, so now

Author: Cole (16188 Posts - Joined: Oct 15, 2012)

Posted at 3:40 pm on Feb 4, 2025
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your party can get out of the way, you lost.

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My party? I’m a Reagan Republican. Your candidate is the reason for all of these questions…

Author: Domer From Hell (16335 Posts - Original UHND Member)

Posted at 4:09 pm on Feb 4, 2025
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And concerns. If you don’t feel like addressing them…but the fuck out.

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Thread Level: 7

Pretty sure Reagan also wanted to get rid of DOE.

Author: PaND (2720 Posts - Joined: Dec 4, 2022)

Posted at 5:52 pm on Feb 4, 2025
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Back in 1980. This is not a new idea.

Thread Level: 6

Knowing Trump, there's very little likelihood that he and his team have thought this through...

Author: TyroneIrish (20449 Posts - Joined: Oct 8, 2020)

Posted at 4:02 pm on Feb 4, 2025
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as the attached article illustrates...the only "winners" will be the For-Profit lending institutions...not American families and their children.

Link: https://www.newsweek.com/student-loans-department-education-close-2025939

Thread Level: 3

I can only speak for my kids and their academic experiences…

Author: Domer From Hell (16335 Posts - Original UHND Member)

Posted at 2:52 pm on Feb 4, 2025
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but they excelled in public schooling. From what I saw and heard from teachers is the kids that came from a healthy family environment normally did well. The kids that had parents who didn’t give a fuck struggled immensely. It all starts at home, imo. Indoctrination was NEVER an issue and guess what? I live in California.

Also, not all public schools are created equal. I’m sure there are some that are considered “cess pools.”

As far as Linda McMahon…I have serious doubts about her ability to handle and or comprehend the job.


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Thread Level: 2

The schools themselves and teachers arwe unaffected. Regarding

Author: BaronVonZemo (59933 Posts - Joined: Nov 19, 2010)

Posted at 1:58 pm on Feb 4, 2025
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Special Needs schooling, that is done through ISD. Those programs are state run.

Overriding curriculum requirements that DE give guidance on couldn’t get much lower if they tried. They are also perhaps the greatest bastion of DEI and indoctrination - they are so deep in it that scrapping it makes sense.
They certainly don’t have the metrics to support their necessity.


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I disagree…

Author: Domer From Hell (16335 Posts - Original UHND Member)

Posted at 2:58 pm on Feb 4, 2025
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And again, I can only speak for my kids schools. Not one time was there an attempt of indoctrination. If there was, I would have stopped it on the spot. My wife and I were/are very active and supportive of our kids educational goals. We were very hands on when it came to their teachers and their respective curriculums.

DEI was never an issue and as I mentioned above, I live in California.


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Thread Level: 2

Since its formation in 1979, the US has gone from 1st to 34th in OECD ranking.

Author: Iggle (12617 Posts - Joined: Sep 14, 2007)

Posted at 1:28 pm on Feb 4, 2025
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That's on math scores. Similar picture in reading though not as bad.

I don't have a strong opinion on the subject but clearly there is waste.


Thread Level: 3

Weak performances in standardize testing is a State & Local issue, not DoE.

Author: Quest4twelve (6684 Posts - Joined: Aug 5, 2015)

Posted at 1:53 pm on Feb 4, 2025
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Tell us what they do and how they’ve done.

Author: BaronVonZemo (59933 Posts - Joined: Nov 19, 2010)

Posted at 2:01 pm on Feb 4, 2025
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We know they like to indoctrinate children into liberal thinking and support teacher unions in shutting down schools without evidence of need for the benefit of union members and the detriment of children’s education.

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Thread Level: 5

Since you're clueless when it comes to the Education Dept., but spout off about it anyway...here's

Author: TyroneIrish (20449 Posts - Joined: Oct 8, 2020)

Posted at 2:20 pm on Feb 4, 2025
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your answer (see link for History, Mission, etc)...btw, would have take you 10 sec. to find it, but you seem to have a 'disability' when it comes to opening your mind.
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Overview

Education is primarily a State and local responsibility in the United States. It is States and communities, as well as public and private organizations of all kinds, that establish schools and colleges, develop curricula, and determine requirements for enrollment and graduation. The structure of education finance in America reflects this predominant State and local role. Of an estimated $1.15 trillion being spent nationwide on education at all levels for school year 2012-2013, a substantial majority will come from State, local, and private sources. This is especially true at the elementary and secondary level, where about 92 percent of the funds will come from non-Federal sources.


That means the Federal contribution to elementary and secondary education is about 8 percent, which includes funds not only from the Department of Education (ED) but also from other Federal agencies, such as the Department of Health and Human Services' Head Start program and the Department of Agriculture's School Lunch program.

Although ED's share of total education funding in the U.S. is relatively small, ED works hard to get a big bang for its taxpayer-provided bucks by targeting its funds where they can do the most good. This targeting reflects the historical development of the Federal role in education as a kind of "emergency response system," a means of filling gaps in State and local support for education when critical national needs arise.

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Link: https://www.ed.gov/about/ed-overview/federal-role-in-education

Thread Level: 6

Don't fall for is his trick. Baron is lazy and/or quite possible not intelligent enough to comeback

Author: Quest4twelve (6684 Posts - Joined: Aug 5, 2015)

Posted at 3:18 pm on Feb 4, 2025
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with his own empirical data when he's challenged. He's the "I know you are, but what am I" of the board.

#magalogic


Thread Level: 7

There's no "Trick" to Baron...for whatever reason, he's gone "Postal" when it comes to "Libs"...

Author: TyroneIrish (20449 Posts - Joined: Oct 8, 2020)

Posted at 4:25 pm on Feb 4, 2025
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...in his tortured mind, nothing good comes from the Liberal side of the political aisle...even when evidence to the contrary sits right in front of him...

Case in point...he has a Special Needs child, yet refuses to acknowledge that one of the greatest initiatives created to aid such kids...i.e. "Special Olympics"...was/is the product of a great Lib, Eunice Kennedy Shriver, and her Lib friends. How does a normal person not see this? Never mind all the other social benefits that he himself takes advantage of, without objection.


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