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A complete betrayal of Ukraine.

Putin is a tyrant - horrible. He took advantage of Obama's and Biden's weakness to invade because neither would do anything to help at the time of invasion - in fact Joe gave them the green light in his famous speech that the US would tolerate a "limited incursion".
Zelenskyy is suspended free elections in his country, cannot account for half of the 350 Billion the US has sent to him, and he refuses to allow elections at this point because his popularity is lower than Tim Walz at a fin and feather club.
Zelensky had no reason to try to embarrass Trump (who was working for peace) like that except that he doesn't want peace because he will lose power.

Both things can be true - and apparently are.

And you might want to bone up on the Ukrainian constitution. No elections during marshal law.

And apparently you’d like a Russian puppet inserted because that’s what you’d get. Russia is good at meddling in other countries elections.

And the 350 B - I believe Trump - he is quite good for his word. You disbelieve everything he says. There lies our difference.

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took place there. That was what was successfully accomplished in Saudi Arabia (I believe) between the US and Russia alone.
Now it requires Ukraine to agree to the same and then come to the negotiation table.

Nothing but Russian appeasement.

the air enough with Russia (no, not suck up to Putin) to be able to negotiate as well.
And you saw how things went with Zelensky today...the negotiations would never take place at all if he was there before the US was in a place to negotiate as arbiters.

You are seeing what you want to see.

The "Russian Appeasement" was Biden facilitating their invasion and refusing to give or promise military backing in the weeks Putin sat at the Ukraine border. Biden even gave Putin the green light for a minor incursion.
Please tell me you have read my past posts or at least know about the "Green Light speech" that Biden gave,

And Ukrainian diplomats could have attended the “peace talks.” Sorry, that was another dumb move by Trump.

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....and that guy ain't Zelensky, and was never Dems.

The killing must stop and it is an unwinnable war.
We can't afford t keep giving unlimited cash to this fruitless endeavor.
We need to stop being conned by Zelensky. He just scuttled a real peace effort.

And your guy is responsible for facilitating Putin's invasion - this is his mess that trump is at least trying to fix.

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...the biggest reason for Zelensky to want this mineral agreements - even perhaps more important than the money generated for rebuilding - is the tie in of the US to Ukraine economically would make any further Russian invasion a far riskier move for Putin down the road.
Zelensky never wanted peace.

To say that Zelensky doesn’t want peace is patently false. He just doesn’t feel that Trump is serious, especially since he kowtows to Putin.

Because Zelensky himself said that that was the thinking of the US behind the Mineral deal....it wasn't enough for him, he said.).

It's kind of hard to do with intermittent power, missile/drone strikes, and most of the electorate either fighting on the front lines or behind them.

brokered. of course, he won't do that.

main points from author:

What happened in the Oval Office today — the obviously preplanned ambush of Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky by President Trump and Vice President JD Vance — was something that has never happened in the nearly 250-year history of this country: In a major war in Europe, our president clearly sided with the aggressor, the dictator and the invader against the democrat, the freedom fighter and the invaded.

You want an analogy? Imagine if when Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu came to the White House earlier this month, Trump and Vance told him that the war with Hamas had gone on too long, too many lives had been lost and it was costing America too much money, so it was time for Bibi and the Israeli people to do a deal with the Hamas aggressor.

Because Russia did to Ukraine on Feb. 24, 2022, what Hamas did to Israel on Oct. 7, 2023 — a surprise invasion, murder and the ensuing sexual violence to wreak destruction on another nation and its society. Trump took Bibi’s side 110 percent against Hamas, and now he is taking Putin’s side 110 percent against Zelensky and Ukraine.

It is hard to express what a break this is in American foreign policy. We have always stood on the side of liberty and those fighting for it around the world. There are times the isolationist forces in our population have held us back and had to be persuaded. There are times when — in support of the larger cause of liberty — against dangerous foes like Nazi Germany and the Soviet Union, we have had to align ourselves temporarily with dictators.

But I can’t think of a single time when an American president declared that the democratically elected leader of a country preserving liberty was a “dictator” who started the war with his neighbor — when it was the vicious neighboring dictator who actually started the war.

If you listen to Trump, everything we have done for Ukraine is pure altruism. We have no actual interests at stake ourselves in its fate or the triumph of liberty there. We have no actual interest in the fact that Ukraine is protecting the European Union — a giant, pro-American alliance of free markets and free people. It doesn’t matter a whit to Trump what happens to the E.U. or Ukraine. All that matters is that Zelensky says “thank you” louder for our altruism and that, in the middle of his war of survival, sign over a generation of Ukraine’s mineral wealth to us.

This is a total perversion of U.S. foreign policy practiced by every president since World War I. My fellow Americans, we are in completely uncharted waters, led by a president, who — well, I cannot believe he is a Russian agent, but he sure plays one on TV.


Link: https://www.nytimes.com/2025/02/28/opinion/trump-zelensky.html

What happened in the Oval Office today — the obviously preplanned ambush of Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky by President Trump and Vice President JD Vance — was something that has never happened in the nearly 250-year history of this country: In a major war in Europe, our president clearly sided with the aggressor, the dictator and the invader against the democrat, the freedom fighter and the invaded.

That is not what happened. And when that is your opening point, and it is what everything else is built on, the article is trash.

It's an opinion piece, I hate those as well.

Edit to add: This was for DFH

That article is trash

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Idiotic move by a corrupt dictator.

You hysteria is comical.

Ukraine will fall unless they take the Trump deal.

It’s one of the most corrupt governments in the world.

They don’t tell America what to do.

is most c/w a guy who will not agree to a peace deal that will allow his constitution to allow an election.

We supported Ukraine not because we are Santa Claus, but because it was in the United States' national security interests, both as to defending Ukraine and defending our global interests.

Ukraine's tenacity in defending its sovereign against invasion surpassed everyone's expectations. Supporting Ukraine costs much less than stacking US troops at the Polish border or at other borders across the globe. There is no better friend than America. Until today.

Trump and Vance demeaned all Americans today in their attempted public shakedown of President Zelenskyy.

You fail to grasp how big today was for Putin.

Talk to real Ukrainians. Ask them about their government.

The Putin nonsense is classic Hillary. You are better than that.

Ukraine has been robbing us blind for many years.

It’s time for a better deal.

What did Trump say that you disagree with?

It’s definitely not 4% like our “liar in chief” says.

Link: https://amp.dw.com/en/what-ukrainian-opinion-polls-say-about-volodymyr-zelenskyy/a-71774172

If you're about to say that they have mostly been killed, then they are lost just the same....unless you want American troops...

Ukraine has a smaller population. If you look at the data, Ukraine has a sizable military force. They’re holding their own, but they are dependent on foreign aid. Trump doesn’t care and he’s trying to capitalize on this war, which is disgraceful.

Link: https://www.statista.com/statistics/1296573/russia-ukraine-military-comparison/

the fact that we have given a lot more than just military aid, and MSM sources want that number to look as small as possible by not counting that too.
That is the real cost to the US, and that is why Trump counts it all.
I also trust Trump's numbers - he has been telling the truth on everything else through the years as the MSM lied.

As per usual, you buy Trump bullshit hook line and sinker.

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Now that it’s confirmed that Trump sucks Putin cock.

I know.....you wouldn't meet any other country's benchmark requirements to qualify for citizenship.
I guess that we are stuck with you. At least your concentrated in NYC.

I'm an American. You support the Anti-Christ.

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I used to think that way, then I matured. The cool thing about America is that we’re all free to think and say what we want. Seems you’d like our society modeled after Russia. “Either tow the party line or else!!!”

Libs rarely give. They like doing that with other people's (tax payer) money.

In the event Trump was elected the first time, let alone the second. I don't recall seeing any nutty eighties that were saying that if Biden got elected.

Not saying Jim said he'd leave

Who cares? Let ‘em go. My take on Baron’s comment is that he thinks everyone should bow down to the “Dear Leader.”

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Trump is only offering Ukrainian concessions. Nothing on the part of Russia.

Russia is weakened. Why not take advantage of that and make them give some shit up? Trump is acting like a pussy.

many have died, and more and more don't see the point in an unwinnable war. That is why Z's popularity is tanking....along with the rumors of corruption, but mostly the former.

And I agree that Ukraine has fewer fighters, but that’s attributed to a smaller population and fewer fighting age men.

Russians aren’t jumping at the chance to die in the meat grinder, either. Don’t forget that Russia welcomed 10k Norks to fight in Kursk.

you want and endless war of the same, or to commit US troops, that is how it will stay.

Oh, and there is that little thin about Russia having nukes and WWIII.

And if Russia launches a nuke, Putin knows he’s toast…literally. Hell, there are doubts about Russia’s ICBMs even being operable.

Trump won’t play hard ball with Putin because he wants to be Putin. It’s that simple.

And that isn't happening under Trump.

You guys were the appeasers - you have two Putin invasions saying that I'm right.