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Fact: US troops are obligated into direct conflict of defense if a NATO member is attacked.

Author: BaronVonZemo (58941 Posts - Joined: Nov 19, 2010)

Posted at 4:12 pm on Mar 2, 2025
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This would be the result of granting Zelenskyy's demand for membership in NATO as his condition for him stepping down. It is a nonstarter with almost every member, and Zelenskyy has already been told this many times.
Zelenskyy is offering up a condition that he knows won't happen before he will let his people have the liberty of choosing their leader again.

It also means that if you libs get your way and we continue to give Camo Commander everything he demands, we will have our own troops fighting against Russia - another nuclear power.
I'm spelling this out because it has become apparent that you are very slow and do not understand why trump says that Zelensky is gambling with the possibility of WWIII.

You're welcome. Spin away and pretend to go right past this. But privately, please realize how stupid you look right now.


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Thread Level: 2

Thus far, NATO has been very open to admitting Ukraine into the organization...with all its benefits

Author: TyroneIrish (19772 Posts - Joined: Oct 8, 2020)

Posted at 2:04 am on Mar 3, 2025
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and responsibilities...see the linked NATO history on that issue.

Link: https://www.nato.int/cps/en/natohq/topics_37750.htm

Thread Level: 2

“Obligations” and global moral geopolitics mean nothing to Elon.

Author: Curly1918 (16195 Posts - Joined: Aug 30, 2017)

Posted at 6:16 pm on Mar 2, 2025
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By the way… Mysk is in CONTROL of everything

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Russia agreed to unification of Germany contingent on NO eastward expansion of NATO BUT

Author: LanceManion (7665 Posts - Joined: Jul 16, 2010)

Posted at 5:53 pm on Mar 2, 2025
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NATO was expanded anyway. With the threat of expanding NATO to Ukraine, Putin acted. I’m not saying invasion was justified but Russia has been clear on this point. They want a buffer. Either the west respects that or Russia will take territory to force it. So we are here we are today.

Anyway, no way Ukraine enters NATO. It’s also why Zelensky is trying prolong the conflict. He hopes to embroil one of the Actual NATO countries.


Imposing corporate abuse, neglect and greed on deserving victims.
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Do you renounce Putin, and all his works?

Author: ND521 (9269 Posts - Joined: May 10, 2016)

Posted at 5:18 pm on Mar 2, 2025
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God may not care who wins, but His mother does
Thread Level: 2

Who wants Ukraine in NATO? Not me. Not anyone I know.

Author: Chris94 (36499 Posts - Original UHND Member)

Posted at 4:25 pm on Mar 2, 2025
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Not Obama or Biden or Trump. Or the Germans or Brits or French.

So, straw man alert again.


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LOL. You didn't just lose election 2024, you lost your mind too.

Author: Eli (9482 Posts - Original UHND Member)

Posted at 10:29 pm on Mar 2, 2025
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Link: https://youtu.be/Rr3DJcF_UPk?si=l5a7ibHuRTQxtOHB

Thread Level: 3

Exactly what I said, duh! Yet Zel demands it to proceed w peace negotiations or further Uk elections

Author: BaronVonZemo (58941 Posts - Joined: Nov 19, 2010)

Posted at 4:58 pm on Mar 2, 2025
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And he knows what we both know.

Come on concrete man, think this through.

1) Zelenskyy doesn't want a brokered peace - and this impossible demand confirms it
2) Zelensky has no plans to allow another election where he could lose power (and he has already disbanded opposing political parties, used his govt to take over the Ukrainian media, and has closed churches in Ukraine).


Puitn is evil. He invaded.
Zelensky is bad and is either a new dictator, or is hellbent on chasing his White Whale to perdition's end seeking revenge - either way - not someone the US should be dealing with. Get a new Uk representative.


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"Puitn is evil. He invaded."...therefore, without strong assurances of future security, Zelensky

Author: TyroneIrish (19772 Posts - Joined: Oct 8, 2020)

Posted at 5:18 pm on Mar 2, 2025
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and his countrymen/women/kids cannot trust Putin to not try and seize their land, minerals and agriculture again.

But Baron can't seem to "Connect the Dots"...weird...and this guy is responsible for others' well-being??


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Are you voting for Ukraine's membership in NATO?

Author: JarHead4ND (4248 Posts - Original UHND Member)

Posted at 12:55 am on Mar 3, 2025
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No more calls to Holly for kitchen clean-up. RIP old faithful companion.
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So long as Russia has Putin in control, Yes...I'm hoping the Oligarchs get fed up with "Winning"

Author: TyroneIrish (19772 Posts - Joined: Oct 8, 2020)

Posted at 1:53 am on Mar 3, 2025
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'Special Military Operations', and take another look at why the Soviet Union failed so miserably. They could do far better by simply joining with the rest of Europe in democratic pursuits. Right now, by most independent assessments, Russia's economy is not one to invest in...again, the Oligarchs need to do some long-term planning, and make needed changes...sooner, rather than later.

Should that change occur, then there's no need for Ukraine to join NATO...and Russia would actually get ready access to Ukrainian assets.

Peace and Prosperity...now that's a deal worth making. Should that not come to pass, then NATO has had a long standing 'Welcome Mat' out for Ukraine (see linked NATO summary on this issue)


Link: https://www.nato.int/cps/en/natohq/topics_37750.htm

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Ah yes, only the finest projection from the Grand Marshall of dumbfuckery

Author: Death (1090 Posts - Original UHND Member)

Posted at 4:17 pm on Mar 2, 2025
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94? Spelling or grammar comment?

Author: Frankx (5120 Posts - Joined: Aug 22, 2017)

Posted at 5:25 pm on Mar 2, 2025
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Thread Level: 3

You seem jealous.

Author: iairishcheeks (26757 Posts - Original UHND Member)

Posted at 4:50 pm on Mar 2, 2025
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I embarrassed him below - manipulating him into better and then worse vindictives at will.

Author: BaronVonZemo (58941 Posts - Joined: Nov 19, 2010)

Posted at 5:05 pm on Mar 2, 2025
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He's hurting.

Link: https://forum.uhnd.com/forum/index.php?action=display&forumid=2&msgid=238367

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How embarrassing for you that lies are all you have

Author: Death (1090 Posts - Original UHND Member)

Posted at 5:14 pm on Mar 2, 2025
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So you're the Grand Marshall of dumbfuckery...

Author: iairishcheeks (26757 Posts - Original UHND Member)

Posted at 5:09 pm on Mar 2, 2025
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Meet my friend Death who is the Supreme Chancellor of Dumbfuckery.

Thread Level: 6

Once in a while, I enjoy toying with the rubes.

Author: BaronVonZemo (58941 Posts - Joined: Nov 19, 2010)

Posted at 5:20 pm on Mar 2, 2025
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Wow, solid attempt. At least you tried

Author: Death (1090 Posts - Original UHND Member)

Posted at 5:16 pm on Mar 2, 2025
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Thread Level: 4

Jealous of incompetence and dishonesty? Thats a new one.

Author: Death (1090 Posts - Original UHND Member)

Posted at 4:57 pm on Mar 2, 2025
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Thread Level: 5

It's actually a story as old as time itself.

Author: iairishcheeks (26757 Posts - Original UHND Member)

Posted at 5:05 pm on Mar 2, 2025
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Excessive arrogance and spite always leads to tragedy.

Thread Level: 6

More revisionist history from the party of lies and deception

Author: Death (1090 Posts - Original UHND Member)

Posted at 5:11 pm on Mar 2, 2025
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Your downfall is going to be glorious to behold.

Thread Level: 7

Lies AND deception? Sounds ominous.

Author: iairishcheeks (26757 Posts - Original UHND Member)

Posted at 5:13 pm on Mar 2, 2025
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Not really, pathetic is a more apt description

Author: Death (1090 Posts - Original UHND Member)

Posted at 5:15 pm on Mar 2, 2025
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Thread Level: 9

Do you appreciate how cool it would be if you had another handle called destruction?

Author: iairishcheeks (26757 Posts - Original UHND Member)

Posted at 5:52 pm on Mar 2, 2025
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Thread Level: 10

Or “of democracy”?

Author: BaronVonZemo (58941 Posts - Joined: Nov 19, 2010)

Posted at 6:15 pm on Mar 2, 2025
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The fourth and final horse is pale, upon it rides Death, accompanied by Hades.

Author: iairishcheeks (26757 Posts - Original UHND Member)

Posted at 12:39 pm on Mar 3, 2025
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