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The law supports Trump's deportation of violent gang members, despite judge's errant ruling

Author: und67 (6797 Posts - Original UHND Member)

Posted at 3:58 pm on Mar 17, 2025
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this is for those who want to really know what the law says:

Judge Boasberg’s precipitous ruling is wrong as a matter of law

Many in the media would have you believe that President Donald Trump has commandeered an obscure law to wrongly deport violent members of a terrorist gang known as Tren de Aragua (TdA).

In truth, the law is neither obscure nor being wrongfully deployed.

The Alien Enemies Act (AEA) was passed by Congress and signed into law in 1798. It is well-established, has never been repealed, and has been reviewed by courts numerous times. Four different presidents have invoked it, three of them Democrats in the 20th century. Moreover, the act is not limited to wartime authority as some claim. Presidents Woodrow Wilson and Harry Truman used the act well after both world wars had ended.

The AEA permits a president to order the arrest and removal without a court hearing of "alien enemies" whenever there is a declared war or any "predatory incursion" perpetrated, attempted or threatened against the United States. A predatory incursion is broadly defined as entry into the U.S. for purposes that are contrary to the nation’s interests or laws. The language gives a president broad latitude in his core duty to protect the safety and security of the citizenry.

In 1948, the U.S. Supreme Court upheld Truman’s use of the AEA and ruled that the law itself was constitutional (Ludecke v. Watkins, 33 US 160). Importantly, the high court stated that a president’s decision under the Act "precludes judicial review of the removal order." In other words, a judge cannot second-guess the president. The court explained, "The very nature of the President’s power to order the removal of all enemy aliens rejects the notion that courts may pass judgment upon the exercise of his discretion."

The Supreme Court’s ruling embraced what is called the "political question doctrine." That is, the federal courts may not intervene in presidential decision-making that is inherently political in nature, such as the conduct of foreign affairs and national security. By analogy, we do not permit judges to halt drone strikes or shut down intelligence operations.

This brings us to the events of the last several days. On Friday, President Trump invoked the Alien Enemies Act under the "predatory incursion" provision. Some 260 illegal aliens were promptly deported to El Salvador, many of them under the authority of the AEA. They include suspected murderers, rapists, and other violent criminals who engaged in kidnappings, extortions, and human, drug, and weapons trafficking.

A substantial number of those expelled were known members of Tren de Aragua, which is officially designated as a Foreign Terrorist Organization. According to the White House, "They unlawfully infiltrated the U.S. and are conducting irregular warfare and undertaking hostile actions against the United States." Evidence shows that they engaged in narco-terrorism while operating at the behest of a foreign country, Venezuela’s Nicholas Maduro regime.

Even before Trump announced his proclamation, attorneys for the American Civil Liberties Union (ACLU) sprinted to a federal district judge in Washington DC in what looks like a classic case of "forum shopping" – picking a preferable judge in a favorable venue. Predictably, Judge James Boasberg, an Obama appointee, issued a temporary restraining order (TRO) in an attempt to block Trump’s actions.

There are several troubling aspects of Boasberg’s directive.
First
, he acted without bothering to hear from the government, depriving the Trump administration of any chance to respond.
Second, the five named plaintiffs in the ACLU’s petition were TdA gang members detained in Texas, where a Washington, D.C., judge has no jurisdiction.
Third, the exclusive remedy for a litigant who contests the AEA is a habeas corpus petition, not a temporary restraining order.
Fourth, the judge magically transformed the entire case into a class action and extended his restraining order to all noncitizens that might be affected by Trump’s invocation of the AEA.
Finally, Boasberg let it be known that he wanted any airplanes carrying TdA terrorists to turn around midair and return to the U.S. Curiously, his return flight demand was not contained in Boasberg’s final written TRO. Likely, he realized that no judge has the power to issue an order redirecting flights beyond U.S. soil and airspace. But his willingness to verbalize such a lawless desire is a window into the thinking of an activist judge whose own political views or personal animus toward Trump may be dictating his judicial decision instead of the law.

On behalf of the president, the Department of Justice is now seeking a stay pending a review by the D.C. Circuit Court of Appeals. Depending on the middle court’s ruling, the case could end up once again in the hands of the Supreme Court.

Judge Boasberg reportedly stated that the Alien Enemies Act does not "provide a basis for the president’s proclamation given that the terms invasion, predatory incursion really relate to hostile acts perpetrated by any nation and commensurate to war." If true, that comment can only be described as a hasty judgment utterly bereft of any knowledge or relevant information since no fair hearing was held before he issued his TRO. Boasberg should object to himself for assuming facts not in evidence.

Fatigued with violent immigrant crime, the American people are substantially in favor of deportations. They expressed their desire at the ballot box. Does any serious person believe that dangerous foreign gangs like Tren de Aragua who have terrorized innocent victims should be allowed to stay here? President Trump is utilizing every tool that the law affords to evict enemy aliens who pose a constant threat.

More than two centuries ago, Congress well recognized such peril. That is precisely why it passed a broad law granting to the President the sole authority to evict enemy aliens. 150 years later, the Supreme Court upheld that statute when it said, "This Alien Enemy Act has remained the law of the land, virtually unchanged since 1798."

Lower court judges are duty-bound to follow Supreme Court precedent. On that basis alone, Judge Boasberg’s precipitous ruling is wrong as a matter of law.

and that, friends, is what the law actually states.


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Replies to: The law supports Trump's deportation of violent gang members, despite judge's errant ruling


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This DOJ lawyer needs to have his ticket pulled.

Author: conorlarkin (21003 Posts - Original UHND Member)

Posted at 7:17 pm on Mar 17, 2025
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Link: https://www.nytimes.com/live/2025/03/17/us/trump-news?smid=nytcore-ios-share&referringSource=articleShare

The American Dream belongs to all of us. — Kamala Harris
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Chief Judge Boasberg, frmr presiding Judge US Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Court vs FOX, hmm.

Author: ND521 (9406 Posts - Joined: May 10, 2016)

Posted at 6:16 pm on Mar 17, 2025
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a lot more than a

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God may not care who wins, but His mother does
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Did your law school teach that rulings made by Federal Judges should or could be ignored?

Author: ND521 (9406 Posts - Joined: May 10, 2016)

Posted at 5:55 pm on Mar 17, 2025
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God may not care who wins, but His mother does
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Thanks for posting. Makes sense.

Author: Hensou (8157 Posts - Joined: Dec 21, 2022)

Posted at 5:13 pm on Mar 17, 2025
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If all a violent illegal criminal needs to do is scream sanctuary, we have a bigger problem

Author: LanceManion (7937 Posts - Joined: Jul 16, 2010)

Posted at 4:58 pm on Mar 17, 2025
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Imposing corporate abuse, neglect and greed on deserving victims.
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Fine, then an appellate court will overrule the judge.

Author: Chris94 (36750 Posts - Original UHND Member)

Posted at 4:39 pm on Mar 17, 2025
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I am no expert in this area of the law. The judge may be overruled soon by an appellate court.

But the president does not get to be that court.

Ignoring court rulings because you disagree with them is an important step on the road to tyranny.


Link: The link to what brainless has copied-and-pasted

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did you read this part?

Author: und67 (6797 Posts - Original UHND Member)

Posted at 4:59 pm on Mar 17, 2025
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In 1948, the U.S. Supreme Court upheld Truman’s use of the AEA and ruled that the law itself was constitutional (Ludecke v. Watkins, 33 US 160). Importantly, the high court stated that a president’s decision under the Act "precludes judicial review of the removal order." In other words, a judge cannot second-guess the president. The court explained, "The very nature of the President’s power to order the removal of all enemy aliens rejects the notion that courts may pass judgment upon the exercise of his discretion."

the court is not even a player in this arena and that ruling was contradictory to the law as stated in the aea and therefore should not be acted upon. it has no legal standing. the administration does not have to comply to something that has no legal basis.


msm, dnc, antifa, blm: trying to kill america.
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Up to U.S. Court(s) to decide if using a wartime law to deport people is appropriate.

Author: ND521 (9406 Posts - Joined: May 10, 2016)

Posted at 6:19 pm on Mar 17, 2025
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He refuses to acknowledge your well made point.

Author: Hensou (8157 Posts - Joined: Dec 21, 2022)

Posted at 5:14 pm on Mar 17, 2025
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It wasn't his point. And it is a legal argument, one that the appellate court will consider.

Author: Chris94 (36750 Posts - Original UHND Member)

Posted at 5:17 pm on Mar 17, 2025
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Trump's lawyers do not get to make that call.

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the tro has no legal standing. there should be no appellate or any other court.

Author: und67 (6797 Posts - Original UHND Member)

Posted at 5:32 pm on Mar 17, 2025
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msm, dnc, antifa, blm: trying to kill america.
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TROs are temporary.

Author: ND521 (9406 Posts - Joined: May 10, 2016)

Posted at 6:27 pm on Mar 17, 2025
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Again, that is not your call, nor is it the call of Trump's lawyers.

Author: Chris94 (36750 Posts - Original UHND Member)

Posted at 5:36 pm on Mar 17, 2025
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By law, it is Trump’s call.

Author: Hensou (8157 Posts - Joined: Dec 21, 2022)

Posted at 5:40 pm on Mar 17, 2025
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Whose point was it?

Author: Hensou (8157 Posts - Joined: Dec 21, 2022)

Posted at 5:22 pm on Mar 17, 2025
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Marco Rubio said that no one has a right to a visa or a green card, I agree with this.

Author: iairishcheeks (27111 Posts - Original UHND Member)

Posted at 4:18 pm on Mar 17, 2025
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Everyone does. But no one has a right to ignore a court.

Author: Chris94 (36750 Posts - Original UHND Member)

Posted at 4:34 pm on Mar 17, 2025
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Where does a court get authority to block presidential actions on immigration enforcement?

Author: iairishcheeks (27111 Posts - Original UHND Member)

Posted at 6:41 pm on Mar 17, 2025
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Honest question.

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Of course they do. If the judge is wrong as a matter of law.

Author: Hensou (8157 Posts - Joined: Dec 21, 2022)

Posted at 5:12 pm on Mar 17, 2025
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Not your call. Not Trump's call.

Author: Chris94 (36750 Posts - Original UHND Member)

Posted at 5:17 pm on Mar 17, 2025
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Actually, if you read the article, it is Trump’s call. By law.

Author: Hensou (8157 Posts - Joined: Dec 21, 2022)

Posted at 5:23 pm on Mar 17, 2025
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This!

Author: Eli (9555 Posts - Original UHND Member)

Posted at 4:05 pm on Mar 17, 2025
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